13 Jun 2013 07:19 am
Chlamydia Life Cycle Articles provided by Dr.Stratton to a CPnhelpmember in April 2013 attached.There was a third article in the set sent. It was a bit to big to upload. If you would like it p-message me with a valid email address and it can be forwarded to you.
13 Jun 2013 07:19 am
14 Jun 2013 09:00 am
Thank you for sharing this, Louise!Interesting that they state in the article on Cpn in vascular disease that Cpn can not be eradictated. I have seen this in another article on the same topic (where Cpn antibodies were checked in vascular disease patients; aortic anerysms as I recall). It makes me think that it is either that such "knowledge" gets spread in a specific area (researchers on vascular disease mainly looking at articles in that area and thus constraining their view, and delaying new knowledge or findings to spread) or that this is the view that is spreading generally (recalling the response from Carter, who has been researching Chlamydiae in spondyloarthrides).
Borrelia/Cpn arthritis: joint, skin, eye, CNS, respiratory, UG involvment; fatigue. Borrelia: Clinical, Elisa&WB IgG, and CPn IgG and IgA pos, HLA-B27 neg. (2010). CAP 5/9/2010 -> 3/2016 2017: some signs and symptoms returning, Borrelia?
5 Jul 2013 10:49 am
In reply to Thank you for sharing this, by nord
Norman,What is your view regarding Cpn eradication? I have read several of your posts regarding your experience with this idea--particulary your experiemnt with NAC--going on and off. I am coming to the opinion that eradicating it is secondary to getting it under contral with a healthy immune system, helpers such as antibiotics etc.. Seems to me that once the immune system is working more efficiently then assisting it to do it's job should be more clear cut. Our immune system was compromised from the beginning. Some folks get sick, some don't. We became ill--and continue to be. While I have my life back--I am not healed. While Cpn can take a serious and life saving hit through antibiotics it still lurks down below. Disturbing.Why I think that a real recovery requires a whole body approach.So, erradicating. Our bodies keep many bacterias and viruses--lol and parasites :) in submission. Wouldn't this be a more realistic expectation? Cpn is hard to measure and also the reality that we can become reinfected by being in a crowded room?Is there any evidence that it can be erradicated?Thanks!Katherine
6 Jul 2013 02:32 pm
I want it dead. And in my case it seems to be.As nord alluded to, the researchers who doubt that Cpn can be eradicated have probably never heard of the Vanderbilt experiments which eradicated it in laboratory tests, and which gave rise to the antibiotic protocols recommended on this site.As for being reinfected, if that happens then one can take antibiotics again, hopefully while the germ is still just in the lungs, and hasn't spread all over the body.
8 Jul 2013 10:20 am
In reply to I want it dead. And in my by Norman Yarvin
Norman,lol I want it dead too. I am interested if there is evidence that it can be done--at least at this stage in the game. Of which we are still in the somewhat early stages of discovery and treament. Amazing--isn't it--the progress in Cpn treatment--both fast and painfully slow in the medical community. Confirming tests--other than antibiotic trials--do they exist? When do we have confidence that it is dead? The Vanderbilt experiments--how can I view them? Many illnesses hunker down--waiting for a weak moment to reappear.Strangely--sort of OK if you know the enemy. lol Thanks for response.Katherine
8 Jul 2013 12:47 pm
In reply to Norman,lol I want it dead by Katherine
The only real place the experiments were written up is in the Vanderbilt patents, which came about because the research was paid for by a private company (now defunct) which wanted to make money off it. Stratton tried to publish some of the experiments in the peer-reviewed literature, but that attempt got shot down by a hostile reviewer. He and his associates have gotten other things published, but not the work on which antibiotics and antibiotic combinations work best in the Petri dish and in laboratory animals.Peer review doesn't work well for people who are peerless.Unfortunately, the patents are written in patentese, and don't have the sorts of numbers and details that a proper writeup would have. They have no information on the concentrations used, for instance: just that such-and-such antibiotic is effective, not what concentration of it is necessary.A few years ago I read a guy's obituary for his wife, who had died after years of struggling with what seemed to be some sort of cryptic infection. He wrote that at one point the disease got somewhat milder, and "she made her peace with it. Unfortunately, it didn't make its peace with her."
8 Jul 2013 04:53 pm
In reply to The only real place the by Norman Yarvin
Peer review doesn't work well for people who are peerless. Absolutely. Making peace with it--good point. My physician--many years ago-- in some pretty serious accent lol said that--whatever I do,don't do nothing. :) His way of saying--don't go into denial. It is some of the best advice that I have been given--and I repeat it often--usually to myself. Denial can be a killer.Thanks for the upfront commentary. Katherine
23 Jul 2013 02:17 pm
The first article is listed as a reference number 9 in the handbook. If you run a search for "newsletter" in the text of the handbook and you will find it. That article is from USA:Vanderbuilt U by Dr Stratton, the others are from Austria and Australia. That is verifification of the life cycle from 3 sources.
7th mo on CAP. NAC 2400, doxy 200mg, azith 250mwf, pulse met 500, chorella 1600
Thank you, Louise! Struth,
Thank you, Louise! Struth, the first article was written by a Brisbane mob.
FM & chronic myofascial pain 2000; Cpn; EBV; lead poisoning; CAP since Jan 2009; Flagyl pulses & Azi M/W/F from Mar 2009; now also Cymbalta; Rivotril; Low Dose Naltrexone; Doxy. Pain-free and heading upwards again.