Submitted by supaguy on Sun, 2017-11-12 19:27

Hi folks!I think that it is an inescapable fact that when we are popping lots of antibiotics on this protocol, we inevitably ask ourselves whether we are doing the right thing or not. After all, taking lots of antibiotics is not a normal thing to do.This week, I can genuinely say that I am glad that I am popping lots of antibiotics and, if I wasn't, I'd probably be one of those talked about people that bang on their doctor's door demanding antibiotics. I have one of those pesky colds that has decided to take up residence on my chest. Were it not for the fact that I am taking doxycycline, azithromycin and rifampicin, I'd be thinking that I need antibiotics.Anyway, hopefully by the middle of the week, this will be well and truly on it's way out. And good riddance to it too.I am also thinking of putting a notice on the front door proclaiming "No hawkers, cold callers or cold carrying people welcome here: bugger off and take your infections elsewhere." I have had a gut full of them over the last 18 months.G.

Even if it's primarily a viral infection, antibiotics are good for preventing secondary bacterial infections.

For viruses, I've been meaning to mention this podcast by Chris Masterjohn about zinc lozenges:

As with all his podcasts, start by skipping the first ten minutes to get through the advertisements and such.  He's terrible about that, but he's quite good at reading through research papers and extracting practical advice.  (Or you can read the transcript of the podcast.)

In this case I looked into one of the papers by Eby that he cites, to double-check, and didn't see anything wrong.  But I was surprised to read a statement that the nose is at a different voltage than the mouth, by about 60 to 120 millivolts.  Since I'd never heard of such a thing, I wondered at first whether it could really be right, and eventually realized that if there was such a phenomenon, it couldn't be high impedance, so I should be able to measure it myself.  I took out a multimeter, set it to millivolts, and stuck one electrode in my mouth and another in my nose... and it read about 120 mV!  (This voltage difference is the reason Eby gives for it being unnecessary to apply zinc to the nose: the voltage draws the positively charged zinc ions from the mouth to the nose.  So lozenges held in the mouth, to dissolve there, are sufficient.)

Anyway, the podcast tells you how to use zinc lozenges.  In brief, you need the right kind; and then take them early and take them often.  By the time you're really suffering, it is sort of too late.  This is not about zinc boosting the immune system; it's about direct interference with viral replication.

instead of zinc, I would recommend selenium. I am speaking from personal experience at testing both minerals in myself as well as in family members. Selenium supplement bought at pharmacy is useless. The best source are brazil nuts where the selenium is already bound to organic compounds. 6 brazil nuts can cause a herx reaction with me. Especially people in Europe are selenium deficient, the American soils are a little bit richer in selenium. For zinc, I would recommend almonds or cashew nuts.

I am speaking just from personal experience. When I took selenium supplements from the pharmacy, I observed no effect whatsoever. When I started taking brazil nuts, I got herxes. My explanation is that in the brazil nuts, the selenium is bound in organic compounds (selenoproteins) and hence is better absorbed by the digestive tract, while the supplement form is not absorbed from the GI tract, or is not absorbed so well, or is not bioactive, or the brazil nuts contain other substances. But I am using my experience only and I am speculating. The biggest herx I got from consuming several fistfuls of pumkin seeds + 10 brazil nuts. I herxed for a week. Look at the tables of the nutritional values

are you taking AB same time? i noticed when my AB worked caraway seeds also helped, but later when AB stopped working caraway also did not work

considering the brazil nut it has a lot of stuff that can kill bacterias except selen, so probably the reaction was not because of selen. did you try brazil nut's oil?

you are talking about Bertholletia excelsa?

cause there is also Juglans nigra L.

I took ABX for almost a year. I had unpleasant herxes and felt not much better after a year. Then, in 4/2017 I accidentaly discovered that I got herxes after sunbathing. So I discovered vitamin D and began to be interested in vitamins and nutrients. I told myself: if I have herxes just from vitamins and minerals, why take antibiotics? I will supplement vitamins and minerals until I stop having herxes. Now, after 7 months of vitamin treatment I can say I feel much better. Even my chronic rhinitis is slowly lifting and I can breathe more freely. I have not much faith in the water-soluble vitamins (B,C) except B12. I have faith in the A,D,E,K2 vitamins + minerals (selenium, zinc, magnesium) + NAC. I believe that the viamins work synergistically with each other, ie you cannot supplement them isolated. For example some studies have found that if you supplement vitamin A, you have higher risk of some cancers. I believe that the reason is that if you supplement just A, it consumes your inner stores of D and you become D deficient. The vitamins have cofactors and act synergically. That is why it is much better to supplement them from natural sources. And various forms of nuts and seeds are the best sources of micronutrients and vitamins

Also, I experimented with several plant antibiotics and those seem to be working too - neem, grapefruit seed extract, thyme etc.

jack please proclaim the whole list of supplements yoy take! just went to the turkish shop but there was no brazile nuts

and please give us your thoughts on how to combinate vitaminss. i take solgar E 400*2 times solgar b complex solgar d 10 000 every second day, solgar calcium magnesium zinc

the supplements are in no way mutually exclusive with antibiotics, so you can do both. Maybe I am special that I react to supplements, others might not react. I do not know. It depends on your immune system. I am still relatively young (in my late 30's) and I had the infection only for a short time (1 year before I diagnosed it). Maybe older people with the infection lasting for 20 years need different approaches. Everyone needs to find for himself what seems to work. It is only certain that to road to health is not easy, and you have to go through the herxes. I would take the herx reactions as an indicator if a treatment is working or not.

Concerning the vitamins. The most crucial is probably vitamin D. In summer, I would just sunbathe as much as you can tolerate, in the autumn or winter you need to take it as a supplement. I would suggest starting 2000IU daily and going upwards as tolerated until 10 000 IU (the best form are drops, which you can drop into high fat milk). You need to supplement vitamin D together with magnesium, otherwise you might get some pains and cramps. Then I would add different nuts and seeds, because they have all those minerals you need and they have plenty of vitamin E, not only tocopherols, but also tocotrienols, and unsaturated fatty acids. All these things are important to build up your immunity. People with chronic infections have commonly various deficiencies. Then I would add vitamin A, retinol, not karoten. And only after a while I would add K2, which is needed to activate the proteins induced by vitamin D and A. Simply observe if it has any effect or not and go slowly. And do not overdose on the brazil nuts. It is enought if you eat twice a week 6 of them. I would also add iodine. I am drinking some local mineral water with very high iodine content.

So all supplements I am taking currently are vitamin D (drops) + NAC + vitamin A (400 IU) + a lot of various nuts and seeds + drinking mineral water with high iodine and boron + herb teas that seem to cause some reactions with me (ginger, thyme etc)

you must experiment what works with you. If you have pain, you might try magnesium, boron and selenium etc

but in the end nothing might work. You must experiment yourself

thank you jack. as for me i bought a lot of grass from buhner protocol buy nothing  really works. what seeds nad nuts do you take except brazil and pumpkin?

and i think you can try clozapine in small dozes to confirm my theory

I will not take clozapine. First, I am a psychiatrist. Second, I have no chronic pain. My main symptom is chronic rhinosinusitis + laryngitis + bronchitis + brain fog. The brain fog is the worst, although I slowly got used to it, I am not nearly as mentally efficient as I was before.

and which nuts? Wallnuts, hazel nuts, cashew nuts, brazil nuts, madakamia nuts, pumkin seeds, linen seeds, poppy (you need to grind it)

and how do you know cpn is causing it? If the pain is independent of physical excercise (angina pectoris, heart) then it is most probably caused by some problem with your spine.

Well, it depends on what you're deficient in.  But as regards zinc lozenges, this is not about nutritional status of zinc.  They will of course improve that, but the intended effect here is directly on the nose and throat.  That's why lozenges rather than pills, and that's also why the zinc has to actually dissolve in the mouth.  The latter part is what most lozenge makers get wrong: when the zinc dissolves, it gives a metallic, astringent taste, which is a bit unpleasant, so the manufacturers try to disguise it by doing things that ruin the desired effect, basically by precipitating the zinc and making it insoluble in the mouth.  The podcast goes into detail as regards what to look for on the list of ingredients.  (The term Eby and Masterjohn use is "ionic" for the preferred form of zinc, but that isn't really the right word, since it's an ionic bond even if it precipitates; what they're really getting at is dissolved versus solid.)

Also, this isn't something that should give you a herx.  It's not about uprooting deeply buried infections, it's about warding off superficial infections.

yes, I understood you. I expressed myself inaccurately. I think that you can beat common cold by eating brazil nuts. I tried this with several family members who have no chronic chlamydial infection. They ate 10+ brazil nuts and the cold was gone. Only later did I discover that it works with other people

also, selenium works synergically with NAC. Acetylcysteine is a precursor of gluthathione, but glutathion needs selenium. So my suggestion to beat common cold is to take 600mg NAC 1-0-1 + 10 brazil nuts.

supa tell everybody about your expeirence with rif machine, maybe someone else used it also?

SupaGuy, what a bugger!  All my guests are terrified of giving me a cold!  Or they’re scared of my Withering temper! Apparently a cold lasts 5 days but you’ll be contageous, for a short while, after  and that’s when to take your revenge on the unsuspecting! Taking garlic and turmeric, sometimes, helps, or you can consider the garlic another form of revenge!

i hope you feel better soon SG.

MS symptoms from 2001, DX RRMS in 2008, following, a change of hospital who sent me for an MRI, precipitated by some sight loss. Took Interferons, on and off. Prescribed  chemo infusions to slow pro