Cpnhelp.org - Chlamydia Pneumoniae Treatment

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CAPi for Cpni 11/04. Dx: 25yrs CFSi & FMSi. Currently: 150mg BID Roxithromycin, Doxycycline 100mg BID, Tinii 1000mg/day pulses; Vit D2000 units, T4 & T3

Thanks Jim.

Yes I guess its from cpni because I have this throatsymtoms that one swedish cpnexpert described. He is the one that treated the most cpnpatient in Sweden. I have not seen him since he is retired but still have some old patients but cant see new. But I read about what symtoms he finds in cpninfected throats.And this white things comes out from cells that looks that they have inflammationi from cpn.

He did not write about this white fluid, so of course I cant know for sure what it is. But he did also write that you could have white lines in throat from cpn and that he calls infection at rest. I have this lines too.

And inflammed red cells that he says is active infection and thats where my white spots/things are.

Anyway whatever it is feels good that it comes out of the cells!

Thanks,Maria

Maria,

The only white spots I know of are typically thrush but as Jim says it could be anything.  Thrush is usually brought on by lots of die off and my daughter developed some yeast problems when she was on Amoxicillini because it upset her gut flora so much by killing off all of the bacteria, both good and bad.  She had to stop the Amoxicillin and add lots of probiotics to her diet.  It finally improved on its own without taking any other drugs for it.   

I would think a visit to the Dr would be a good idea before it gets too out of hand.  

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NACi 2.4g, Zithi 250mg/MWF, minoi 200mg, Tinii 1g/day pulses, Iodoral 25mg, Supps, CFIDSi/FMSi, Hashimoto's, Psoriasis, PA, IBSi, Secondary Addisons

IMHOi its almost certainly Cpni die-off. I've gotten a few white spots (I don't know a better word to describe them either!) during my time on CAPi. In my mouth/throat area. I also have a "bump" (not white) on my left index finger which again I strongly suspect is die-off induced.

I would take it as a good sign.  

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Thanks Reenie for your reply and Link!

It dont look like thrush, but I sure pay attention so I dont get/have it or it gets too out of hand.

My white things look more soft and more white. And it come and go in diffrent places. It can be gone really fast.Just like a spot that burst.

And it feels good that it burst and afterwards cells look like it has less infammation.

Strange things whatever it is.

I did see my doc today and he said I looked red.

Thanks,Maria

Thanks Garcia,

Yes I take it as a good sign!

I have had it soon on and off for a year. And see the connection with things that are anti cpni.

Thanks,Maria

Maria, the swedish Cpni doctor / expert you mention believes that the white spots you see in the throat are inflamed salivary glands. I have been to the swedish doctor myself two months ago. He examined my throat and could identify the white spots which he uses as an indicator on active Cpn infection. Nothing comes out of the white spots except saliva, which actually is not easy to see. The white spots I have does not at all look like thrush. According to the sweedish doctor Cpn causes a specific appearance in the throat where the white spots are one of the indicators.

I am not sure whether his theory about the white spots are correct, i.e. I don't know if I had these before I got Cpn and if they will disappear when I get rid of Cpn. However I have tried to monitor the development since I started treatment. So far it seems that the appearance is more or less constant, unless when I am on Flagyli and after exercise (easy) - then the number of white spots increases for a while. Overall, the number of spots have slightly decreased since I started treatment.

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Cpn since 12/07 (IgM/IgGi 0/1024). On CAPi since 06/08. Currently: NACi 600 mg BID, Clarithromycin 500mg BID, Doxycycline 100mg BID, Flagyl 1200mg/day pulses.

Thanks Runen.Really intrested in information from this Dr!

Lucky you who could see him and get help. I phoned  his office 3 times and also wrote him a letter about this website and more.

Yes I know what he writes about salivery glands. My white spots are  in tonsills and behind them and you can see that the white liquid comes out of it.Do you know if we have salivery glands in tonsills?Do you have your spots there?

Intresting that your spots increases when you are on Flagyli. Then it sounds that it must have something to do with killing cpni!And that is really good!

Glad you get help from this doctor!

Thanks,Maria

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NACi 2.4g, Zithi 250mg/MWF, minoi 200mg, Tinii 1g/day pulses, Iodoral 25mg, Supps, CFIDSi/FMSi, Hashimoto's, Psoriasis, PA, IBSi, Secondary Addisons

Thanks Reenie!! Been reading but dont think there is salivery glands in tonsills, at least not the big ones!

Thanks,Maria

My white spots are not at the tonsils, they are more located in a crescent shaped area ranging from the soft palate to 1cm above the uvula, and down on each side wall above the tonsils. This is what the swedish doctor describes as "starry sky", and he claims that very few (if any) other infectionsi causes this pattern. However, if you don't have this pattern it does not mean you don't have Cpni, it is just one of many indicators this doctor looks at (his article in swedish that you linked in one of your earlier posts gives all the symptoms he looks at). 

Thanks for your answer!

Then are our white spots not the same. Some of them I have some time perhaps days and some can be gone in 30 min.And it can come back in the same spot!! So it more like something white that comes out of cells.

Never had this before I got sick.

Hopefully have something to do with cpni beeing killed,hope so...

Now everyone know how my throat looks like...

Thanks for all answer.

Maria

Thanks Reenie, you have good links and you post them really fast!!

Very helpfull of you!!

I came up with these white spots in the throat too recently. First I thought it was candida, but anti-candida agents produce no results.

I use Australian tea tree oil (lat. Melaleuca Alternifolia) now. I put a couple of drops in warm water and keep it in my mouth for a few minutes than give it down the drain - twice a day in the morning and before I go to bed. It's getting better. The white spots are regressing.

My Doc says, if the spots don't respond to anti candida agents, then it's no candida.

Greez

Andreas

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Male (43), Germany. NACi; Doxyi, Minoi, Azi, Roxyi, Metroi pulses; Vitamin D + B3, Calciumcluconat, Selenium, Enterococcus faecalis, Lactophilus acidophilus + bifidus

Thanks Andreas for your reply!

Intresting to know that others have this spots too.

I had a PM from anoher member that have them too.

So this far my best guess its from cpni beeing killed.

Best Wishes and good luck to you with your treatment,

Maria