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27 Apr 2018
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Red
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Vitamin D & Magnesium - interesting reaction

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All, I've had some interesting reactions to Vit D3 supplementation in relation to Magnesium supplementation, and I'm not completely sure I understand them after doing some research.Basically, I started taking 4000iu of Vit D3 @ 8 weeks ago, and I had initial very positive reactions,  including decreased inflammation (in form of rosacea/rash symptoms, congestion, aches/pains, etc), increased energy, mental clarity, etc.    These positive effects seemed to show up within a day of my initial dose and continue building over a couple of weeks.    Then, gradually, these positive effects began to

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Following the Wheldon protocol, Ella and I take D3 and Magnesium, and have always taken them.   So can't say about any advantages of magnesium.   Ella's skin continues to be much better for taking the supplements, and although at the moment my skin is errupting all over the place, some aspects of my skin are definately getting better.   Less dry, some mole like growths are diminishing....

Not much help I'm afraid. 

Michele:  on Wheldon protocol since 1st May 2006 for a variety of long standing ailments including IBS, sinusitis, alopecia, asthma, peripheral neuropathy, also spokesperson for Ella started Wheldon CAP 16th March 2006 for RRMS

Michèle (UK) GFA: Wheldon CAP 1st May 2006. Daily Doxy, Azi MWF, metro pulse.

Hello Red,

I was just thinking of how Magnesium is involved in virtually all the enzymatic and energy production cycles in the body - could be why you are experiencing a super-human burst of energy;)

Chelates using Aspartic acid are particularly useful (from what I understand aspartic acid is some kind of Krebs cycle intermediate). 

Many Magnesium Aspartate formulations also contain Potassium Aspartate and that combo is particulary recommended for those with CFS.  I did try one of these combos for a while made by AOR, not sure if it was helpful as I didn't stick with it long enough (and that was before the abx).

Pink

FM/CFS, Celiac Disease, rosacea, Raynaud's, peripheral neuropathy, etc.
37 yrs old, sick since age 26 and still trying to find a way back to health.....

 

PinkFM/CFS, Celiac Disease, rosacea, Raynaud's, peripheral neuropathy, etc.37 yrs old, sick since age 26 and still trying to find a way back to health..... 

I find what you're saying quite interesting. I had very positive results with Magnesium since I started taking it several months after I started CAP. It eased the immediate intestinal discomfort I experienced with CAP.

I switched several months ago to a multiple vitamin that included a good amount of Magnesium, but it wasn't enough, so I resumed my use of separate chelated Magensium supplements. It continues to be quite helpful. It reduces the bloat I experience every so often, with the additional use of probiotics. Of course, I've consistently taken D3 as well as the other supplements on the Wheldon protocol, with additions Dr. Powell suggests.

CAP 2/14/06 for Cpn-CFS/FM/CD

 Red- There is increased evidence of the antimicrobial impact of Vit D in enhancing innate immunity, especially against inracellular pathgens (like TB, Cpn, mycobacterium, etc).

Toll-Like Receptor Triggering of a Vitamin D–Mediated Human Antimicrobial Response
Philip T. Liu, et al
24 MARCH 2006 VOL 311 SCIENCE www.sciencemag.org

D as a key link between TLR activation and
antibacterial responses in innate immunity....
...Provide new insight into the history of tuberculosis treatment, including the importance of sunlight in the sanatorium movement created by Brehmer...
...Consequently, consideration might be given to clinical
trials of inexpensive vitamin D supplementation
at appropriate doses to enhance innate immunity
to microbial infections and possibly neoplastic
disease in African or Asian populations.
 

Could you be fatigued because of build up of antimicrobial response against Cpn? Upper tolerable limits for D3 appear in the region of 10,000 IU's, and your daily dosing could have at first hadan antinflammatory effect, then be gradually building up on the antimicrobial effect. Just a thought here.

CAP for Chlamydia pneumonia since 11/04. 25yrs CFS & FMS- Currently: 150mg INH, 300mg Rifampin, 200 Doxycycline, 500mg mwf Azithromycin, plus 500mg Tinidazole 2x/day pulses every two weeks. Whew! That's a lot! about 60

Red

Thanks all.   And Jim (aka the oracle of anti-chlamydial reactions), you certainly could be correct here again (as you usually are!) about build up of antimicrobial response...

 

 

 

On Combined Antibiotic Protocol for Cpn in Rosacea since 01/06

Treatment for Rosacea

  • CAP:  01/06-07/07
  • High-Dose Vit D3, NAC:  07/07-11/08
  • Intermtnt CAP, HDose Vit D3:  11/08-01/09
  • HDose Vit D3, Mg, Zn: 01/09-

Hey Red, really just a speculation based on the new Vit D stuff Dr. Powell sent me. Let us know what conclusions you reach as you continue. 

CAP for Chlamydia pneumonia since 11/04. 25yrs CFS & FMS- Currently: 150mg INH, 300mg Rifampin, 200 Doxycycline, 500mg mwf Azithromycin, plus 500mg Tinidazole 2x/day pulses every two weeks. Whew! That's a lot! about 60

Red,

This is a fascinating line of thinking. Since reading your post, I have engaged in a couple hours of research regarding the overall importance of magnesium in regard to enzymatic processes and its role in the anti-inflammatory arena.

From what I have found, proper magnesium levels are critical to reducing histamine levels, allowing ALL types of muscle cells to relax and detox (this includes the smooth muscle cells in the heart, arteries, and intestines), and in the reduction of blood pressure by reducing inflammation and calcium in the blood vessels.

I believe that we are all so focused on dealing with CPn that we may overlook the obvious sometimes. Using a CAP solution is much more than taking antibiotics. We must be just as diligent to provide our bodies with the raw material (read supplements) to function, fight and repair.

One of the most overlooked problems with using a CAP is hypochlorhydria or low stomach acid. Taking daily medications uses up a lot more stomach acid than most of us realize. This leaves us with too little to properly digest other things, like food and/or supplements.

Magnesium deficiency can be attributed to something as simple as not having enough HCl in your stomach. Low stomach acid greatly reduces the digestive system's ability to absorb magnesium once it enters the small intestines. Add to this the continual death of good flora within the intestines and it becomes quite easy to develop a magnesium absorption problem.

In relation to your energy levels, low magnesium levels make the body work harder and require more oxygen to do basic low-level tasks. Keeping this in mind, your newly found energy reserves may be much more a function of added magnesium than the VitD, which actually depletes magnesium.

Magnesium is one of the wonder minerals that we take for granted. Too little will exacerbate, if not add to the many symptoms we already battle. Here are two great articles on the just how important magnesium is and how it may relate to FM/CFS.

http://www.healthy.net/scr/Article.asp?Id=2060&xcntr=1

http://www.mbschachter.com/importance_of_magnesium_to_human.htm

Thanks for the thread and this line of thinking. I have learned a lot that may help my hypertension and inflammation.

All the best,

Stewart

Stewart: Current Met. Synd./ Syndrome X. HBP, Hyperinsulemia, Systemic Inflamatory Disease & Chronic Gout. Daily CAP for CPn: NAC 600 x2, Doxy, Azythro, Metronidazol - Non-pulsed.

Stewart: Former sufferer of FM/CFS. Current Metabolic Syndrome/ Syndrome X. HBP, Hyperinsulemia, Systemic Inflammatory Disease & Chronic Gout. Daily CAP for CPn: NAC 600 2x, Doxy, Azithro, Non-pulsed Metronidazol

Thank you for all the info on Vit D.. My first reaction on hearing Dr. Powell was dropping the CAP and going to Vit D therapy was shock. But in my blood work it did interestingly enough come back as showing NO VIT D in my system. Which was a surpris to me. I am outside all the time-=always have been. No vit d did not make sense at all to me. I don't know if i want to abandon the protocol after just starting in but i do know Dr. P keeps up on the latest. I think I am coming out of the "funk" WOW. Good thing those wiser than me said not to start another Flagyl pulse, because I was thinking since I felt so good while on the flag, maybe I should start it up again. Thank God for you and this website.PinkyDisabled 91.Diag.MycoPnCPn10/06;CAP w/Dr.Powell DecO6;Fm,CF,IBS,FuchsSyn:FlagylZithroUrsodiolT3HormonesEffexorProvigilUltram+12Supps.

Disabled 91.Diag.MycoPnCPn10/06;CAP w/Dr.Powell DecO6;Fm,CF,IBS,FuchsSyn:FlagylZithroUrsodiolT3HormonesEffexorProvigilUltram+12Supps.

Red

Hi All,

I found that after a few days the chelated magnesium seemed to make me feel worse, particularly giving me stomach cramps and a bit of a headache so I stopped taking it.   In the trade-off, the fatigue seemed to be easier to deal with for me...

I seem to be kind of sensitive to a lot of supplements so I may be kind of the odd guy out with this negative reaction to magnesium.   And I definitely liked the extra energy it seemed to give me...

 

 

 

On Combined Antibiotic Protocol for Cpn in Rosacea since 01/06

Treatment for Rosacea

  • CAP:  01/06-07/07
  • High-Dose Vit D3, NAC:  07/07-11/08
  • Intermtnt CAP, HDose Vit D3:  11/08-01/09
  • HDose Vit D3, Mg, Zn: 01/09-

Pinky,
If you haven't already done so, get tested for Celiac with www.enterlab.com

I had two negative blood tests and a negative biopsy, but was positive when I did the Enterolab test, as well as genetic testing for Celiac. My mom was then tested with regular blood tests and hers showed up in the blood whereas mine did not.

I never had any GI symptoms. Only neurological (peripheral neuropathy, numbness, burning, etc), which if you will read is a tell tale sign in those classed as "silent Celiac".

I also had neglibible Vit D. Now supplementing with 3000 IU per day every day, I am up to 125 from 35 on blood tests.

As a friend told me also, pathogens like Cpn can "trigger" Celiac Disease. I presume you have to have the genetic predisposition. Still never hurts to get tested.

Pink!

Pink

FM/CFS, Celiac Disease, rosacea, Raynaud's, peripheral neuropathy, etc.
37 yrs old, sick since age 26 and still trying to find a way back to health.....

 

PinkFM/CFS, Celiac Disease, rosacea, Raynaud's, peripheral neuropathy, etc.37 yrs old, sick since age 26 and still trying to find a way back to health..... 

Oooops sorry my point is that Celiac causes malabsorption of Vit D. I'm sure you already know all of this!

Why is my text jumbling up together even though I put in returns for spacing? Sorry guys, I don't know why!

Pink

FM/CFS, Celiac Disease, rosacea, Raynaud's, peripheral neuropathy, etc.
37 yrs old, sick since age 26 and still trying to find a way back to health.....

 

PinkFM/CFS, Celiac Disease, rosacea, Raynaud's, peripheral neuropathy, etc.37 yrs old, sick since age 26 and still trying to find a way back to health..... 

Pink, before you start writing in the comments box, click on the enable rich text item at the bottom and then all your spacing and punctuation will come out OK.

Michele: on Wheldon protocol since 1st May 2006 for a variety of long standing ailments including IBS, sinusitis, alopecia, asthma, peripheral neuropathy, also spokesperson for Ella started Wheldon CAP 16th March 2006 for RRMS

Michèle (UK) GFA: Wheldon CAP 1st May 2006. Daily Doxy, Azi MWF, metro pulse.

Red