Vitamin D

i used to take 1,500 ui of vitamin d every day, only stopping when hypotension became a major issue, but, after learning that JaccK had major die-off issues, from taking vit d, I tried it again, thinking it might be worthwhile, and yes, the 'hangover' is terrible, but knowing that some of those pathogens are in their death throes, and that they would make living a joke, given the chance, makes it worthwhile ... if tough!

I should mention that, during the time I took large doses of vit d, my neuro declared my MS had plateaued! 

 

Hi Jane,

vitamin D seems to be important for preventing/treating MS

http://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/vitamin-d-could-repair-nerve-damage-…

check also the discussion. Someone is treating MS with 140 000 IU a day, so your dose of 1500 is quite small. The body can make 20 000 IU in one day by sunbathing so that is certainly a safe dose, if we believe in the wisdom of the body.

There is certainly some important link between vitamin D levels, the state of the immune system and the chronic infections such as chlamydia.

www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/7/6/4170/pdf

Hi JaccK,

i missed a zero! I actually took 15000! And am suffering die off, just as you said! But, if it kills some spores, that's a good thing ... isn't it? I have used RSO, to control paresthesia, rather than the epilepsy drug prescribed, similar effect, I believe! But not legal here, sadly. I'm sure you're right about vit d and about the immune system!

Jane

MS symptoms from 2001, DX RRMS in 2008, following, a change of hospital who sent me for an MRI, precipitated by some sight loss. Took Interferons, on and off. Prescribed  chemo infusions to slow pro

But, if it kills some spores, that's a good thing ... isn't it?

Certainly. It first has to get worse before it can be better.

I have used RSO, to control paresthesia, rather than the epilepsy drug prescribed, similar effect, I believe!

Yes, I have a similar experience. Here, it is illegal too, but it can be prescribed medicinally to treat MS or cancer patients. My friends mother was dying from cancer, so I helped him to make the RSO. THC and CBD (contained in RSO) work by inducing apoptosis (cell death) in the infected cell. I had a very strong die off after consuming it. It feels similar to the vit D die off.

One other thing after which I experienced quite strong die off has been grapefruit seed extract (GSE)

of all the possibilites, vit D seems to be the best. It is legal, it is free, it has countless benefits on immunity - it improves autoimmunity, it actives the immune system to fight the intracellular bugs etc. And when looking back at the course of my ilness (Ive had it for 2 years), it got significantly better after my 3week vacation in Indonesia where there was plenty of sun.

but it might not be the solution for all of us. I do not want to overhype it, but I am certainly going to try to cure myself by vit D now. I will try to get it from the sun - sunbathing twice a week.

You're, obviously,well informed and, I believe, it's that natural curiosity that holds the key, no matter the condition! Good luck and please let us know how you get on, I think your attitude  will help your story to be a successful one!

MS symptoms from 2001, DX RRMS in 2008, following, a change of hospital who sent me for an MRI, precipitated by some sight loss. Took Interferons, on and off. Prescribed  chemo infusions to slow pro

Jacck, Vtamin D3 is one of the cheaper vitamins, so I would think it better to take that rather than the even cheaper D2 and trust that it will be stored until you need it: it might not be true!...............................Sarah

Completed Stratton/Wheldon regime for aggressive secondary progressive MS in June 2007, after four years, three of which intermittent.   Still improving bit by bit and no relapses since finishing treatment.

Hi Sarah,

the difference is that vit D2 is of plant origin and is easier to produce than D3 which is of animal origin and is produced of sheep wool. The general concesus is that D3 is better because it is closer to the human produced vitamin. But as the link above shows, it might be worth trying both. I am not taking supplements. I will try to replenish the vitamin from the sun. It has been two weeks since I started and I it is having quite a strong effect - my throat and nose began scratching, I started producing green mucus and have symptoms of porphyria (dizzines, worsened brain fog etc). I am not taking any antibiotics. I think that the antibiotics treat the symptom (the infection), while the vitamin D adresses the cause (dysfunctional immune system). The vitamin d seems much more important than previously thought, it regulates many genes. 

In case of MS, the situation might be different. Maybe the people with MS have some genetic defect in VDR (vitamin d receptor) which leads to the infection and development of MS. Maybe that is why much higher doses of vit d are needed (as suggested by the Brazilian doctor whose name I forgot)

D W

Most authorities indeed favour vitamin D3 over D2.

 

The Vitamin D Council says: “[We] recommend taking vitamin D3 rather than vitamin D2. Vitamin D3 is the type of vitamin D your body produces in response to sun exposure, while vitamin D2 is not.”

 

Medscape has a helpful page on the merits of D2 and D3. Link http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/589256_4

 

Vitamin D3 is synthesized from 7-dehydrocholesterol obtained from sheep wool and is thus an animal product. Vitamin D2 is obtained from ergosterol derived from a mould, ergot. You might consider D2 if you have objections to ingesting animal material.

D W - [Myalgia and hypertension (typically 155/95.) Began (2003) taking doxycycline and macrolide and later adding metronidazole. No medication now. Morning BP typically 110/75]

I will add some knowledge concerning vitamin D, that I learned the hard way. You MUST take magnesium when taking vitamin D3. I noticed it is not mentioned in the recommended supplements

http://cpnhelp.org/recommended_supplements

I reported a year ago that I get herxes from vitamid D. I got musle cramps, nosebleeds, tachycardia etc. Vitamin D is a steroid hormon, that is switching on a lot of genes to produce various proteins (among those some that kill cpn). But all those enzymes need magnesium to function. I found out that I had magnesium defficiency and by taking vitamin D, it was worsened, because vitamin D consumes magnesium. So I started supplementing magnesium. Not only did I start to feel much better almost immediately - relaxed, calm

https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/evolutionary-psychiatry/20110…

but most of the unpleasant reaction from vitamin D dissapeared and I was able to tolerate much higher doses of the vitamin.

https://www.easy-immune-health.com/magnesium-and-vitamin-d.html

the same goes for vitamin K2. You need a lot of magnesium for it to work properly.