veiny arms?

During the course of my illness, I have noticed that the veins in my arms don't look as healthy veins should look.   They almost look somewhat bulgy...and really blue.  I went searching for possible explanations and came across the link below.  Do you guys think CPNi is the cause of this?  Is anyone else having circulation problems and if so, have they gotten better over time?

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/health/s/168/168143_doctor_takes_stigma_out_of_yuppie_flu.html

I occasionally have a bulging blue vein in the palm of my hand.   It is very alarming when it happens, it really sticks out.... It passes quite quickly though.... I do have circulation problems they seem to be getting better.

Michèle (UK) GFAi: Wheldon CAPi 1st May 2006. Daily Doxyi, Azi MWF, metroi pulse. Zoo keeper for Ella, RRMSi, At worse EDSSi 9, 3 months later 7 now 5.5 Wheldon CAP 16th March 2006

Michèle (UK) GFAi: Wheldon CAPi 1st May 2006. Daily Doxyi, Azi MWF, metroi pulse.

What do you think about the lymph theory here?
Hi, Presacanario I found this, too. Same guy, Dr Perrin. http://www.primarycaretoday.co.uk/?pid=4216&lsid=4328&edname=25275.htm&p... The only picture of the varicose lymphatic vessels on the Internet. They do not look blue, and you are talking about blue veins. I think they are not the same. He observed an abnormal posture in patients with CFSi and states that "Varicose thoracic lymphatics are always palpable in CFS/ME. In this rare occasion they are clearly visible." CFS patients like his drainage technique. I don't quite understand how he connects CNSi, toxins and these dilated vessels. Barbara Used to have multiple sclerosisi, on the intermittent Wheldon protocol since March 2006, EDSSi 0 for over 3 years

Cured of multiple sclerosisi, stopped the Wheldon's protocol in Nov,2008. Use only LDNi.

I remember we talked a bit about this here as I had brought it up that the veins in my upper thigh & hip area were really standing out & very blue green.  This happens in my hands as well & I have alot of surface veins in my face & legs now.

I understand this is due to stress on lympatic system?  I have ordered Solaray Lymph cleanse that was mentioned in another post.  I have a pulse coming up next week, so will wait until after that to start, not that it would make any difference; I have no idea.

CFIDSi/ME 25yrs, FMSi, IBSi, EBVi, Cpni, (insomnia - melatonini, GABA, tarazadone, triazolam, novocycloprine, allergy formula, 3 gm tryptophan), Natural HRT peri-M, NACi 2.5 gm, 6-07 Doxy 200 mg day pm, Azith 375 mg M/W/Fday, Pulse8 750mg 4day,375X1 3-24-8

CFIDSi/ME, FMSi, MCS, IBSi, EBVi, CMV, Cpni, H1, chronic insomnia, Chronic Lyme, HME, Babesia, Natural HRT-menopause, NAC 2.4 gm,Full CAP 6-2-07, all supplementsi+Iodorol, Inositol-depression, ultra Chitosan, L lysine Pulse#27 04-19-10 1gm Flagyli/day-5 days<

I agree that anything blue that sticks out has to be veins, as lymph is not coloured.   The blue we see on the surface of our skin in the blood colour filtered through semi transparent skill and tissue.

Michèle (UK) GFAi: Wheldon CAPi 1st May 2006. Daily Doxyi, Azi MWF, metroi pulse. Zoo keeper for Ella, RRMSi, At worse EDSSi 9, 3 months later 7 now 5.5 Wheldon CAP 16th March 2006

Michèle (UK) GFAi: Wheldon CAPi 1st May 2006. Daily Doxyi, Azi MWF, metroi pulse.

Hi, I'm fairly new to this web site, but not new to CFSi having had it for 22 years, and diagnosed 15 years ago.  An online friend of mine sent me a link about the Perrin Technique in fall of '07 and I bought his book and sought out an osteopath.  In Feb. I went on a round of flagyli for intestinal parasites and had practically a miraculous period of two weeks of amazing energy and lack of pain!!  That led me to this web site and now I am hoping to be treated for Cpni.  I sent off blood work last week and have an appt. with my internist on Thursday.  I was on flagyl for 14 days, yodoxin for 20 and then another round of flagyl for the intestinal parasites and I think it did help that problem, but this second round nearly killed me!!  I'm thinking the severe sick feeling I had this second round is a good thing?

 But I, too, have wondered about a connection with Perrin's theory.  All I can think of is that swollen lymph vessels could certainly worsen and expedite CFS/fibro/etc. symptoms.  I thought it odd that the osteopath I went to "treated" me for sluggish lymph flow, but never really investigated whether I had these swollen vessels. 

 I've always thought my "flu-like feelings" had at their root some kind of infection so I think Stratton's and Nicolson's theories have so much merit.  I was tested for mycoplasma infection in the 90's but was negative for that.

One question for anyone who is reading this thread.  If I have Cpn I started out with a HUGE dose of flagyl that has practically incapacitated me, though the first round had me jumping up and down.  I hate to "build up" now to my first round of flagyl in 6 months if it is really killing the bad guys.  But do I begin again as if I'd never tried the flagyl?  Thanks for all the help I have gotten on this web site!!!  Susan

CFIDS since '85 CAP begun 4/08.  NACi 2400/day; Azithromycin 2x/week.

Susan, my first flagyl pulse was at full dose for 5 days, I can't say it was pleasant but I survived.   You have experience of using flagyl so I would try the full dose.   In my experience pulses can vary in intensity and reaction, so your experience in the past may be just that, a different reaction at a different time.   If it was bearable then it should be bearable now, the fact that your are taking two other antibioticsi should not make much of a difference as they do not kill a lot of Cpni, their main job is to stop it from multiplying.   This is just my opinion, I'm not a doctor and mostly we recommend people should pay attention to their body and symptoms.   If you are feeling a bit unsure then go slower and either do a lower dose for five days or two days at the full dose....

Michèle (UK) GFAi: Wheldon CAPi 1st May 2006. Daily Doxyi, Azi MWF, metroi pulse. Zoo keeper for Ella, RRMSi, At worse EDSSi 9, 3 months later 7 now 5.5 Wheldon CAP 16th March 2006

Michèle (UK) GFAi: Wheldon CAPi 1st May 2006. Daily Doxyi, Azi MWF, metroi pulse.

 I find this very interesting as I had just done some research  on adjusting the Axis   for CFSi and had my chiropractor adjust it (my Axis was very much out of alignment)

This makes sense to me. ... but then what do I know LOL!!  

This article may explain things a bit better.  Appears they tie the CNSi with the CRI (cranial rhythmic impulse)?  Definitely taking this article to my masseuse to have her work on the Cerebrospinal fluid drains. 

Jeanneroz ~CPNi 4/2007; HHV6, EBVi, CFIDSi/FM- diagnosed: 6/07; IBSi, prior kidney infectionsi, food allergies, hypothyroid (RAI for Graves in 1998), Adrenal issues; prior bronchitis/sinus problemsi. 200 mg/doxyi daily & 250 mg AZITH M/W/F, supplmnts

JeanneRoz ~ DXi'd w/ CPNi 4/2007; 6/07 -"officially" dx'd w/CFIDSi/FM; also: HHV6, EBVi, IBSi-C, 100 Doxyi:BIDi; 500 mg Biaxin BIDi; Tindamax Pulses, B12 shots, ERFA Dessicated Thyroid,Cortef, Iodoral 25 mg, Vit D-6,000 uni

hello Susan

I had your same experience re: Flagyli, in 2002.  I had CFSi then but didn't know about these protocolsi.  My doc found I had H. Pylorii so treated me with the normal cocktail of antibioticsi which includes Flagyl.  The usual protocol only lasts 2 weeks but is intense.  I had some discomfort but not much.  At the end I had so much energy and vitality.  Now fast forward to today and I can barely tolerate 2 days of flagyl at only 1000 mgs.

thanks for posting...

hello Susan

I had your same experience re: Flagyli, in 2002.  I had CFSi then but didn't know about these protocolsi.  My doc found I had H. Pylorii so treated me with the normal cocktail of antibioticsi which includes Flagyl.  The usual protocol only lasts 2 weeks but is intense.  I had some discomfort but not much.  At the end I had so much energy and vitality.  Now fast forward to today and I can barely tolerate 2 days of flagyl at only 1000 mgs.

thanks for posting...

I know the blue veins and lymph vessels are different but I think due to poor circulation and clogged lymph, my veins are looking nasty and not healthy.

Another person mentioned the same thing and poor lymph clearance.  I had a lymph massage tech.....done and immediately the veins looked a little better.

 

Once again I should have used the search button.  Daisy gives a good explanation of what's going on and as she says 'may be a cog to healing'

I find it interesting what she mentions about having tonsils removed and sluggish lymph.  I had mine removed at age 8 and started to have some problems after.  So thanks Daisy.

http://www.cpnhelp.org/lymph_the_importance_of_l

Once again I should have used the search button.  Daisy gives a good explanation of what's going on and as she says 'may be a cog to healing'

I find it interesting what she mentions about having tonsils removed and sluggish lymph.  I had mine removed at age 8 and started to have some problems after.  So thanks Daisy.

http://www.cpnhelp.org/lymph_the_importance_of_l

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