MediTest
27 Apr 2018
Author
zazul
Title

Spirochete round bodies...

Comments

Zazul, thanks.

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So when starved or threatened (ie hit with antibiotics, esp penicillin), the formation and reversion of round bodies has been documented by video microscopy techniques - but yet Feder et al. say that has no clinical relevance. 

Then I guess that should be the end of the discussion in the scientific community, shouldn't it?  Image removed.

Sorry.  Sometimes (usually) it's hard for me to not be sarcastic and cynical about this.

Kelly

Diagnosed FMS Feb '07.  2x/day: 600 mg NAC, 100 mg Doxy, 500 mg Amoxicillin, 2000 iu Vit. D.  450 mg Valcyte.  250 mg Azi M/W/F.  500 mg 375 mg Flagyl pulses every 3-4 weeks.  Started CAP June '07. 

Kelly, You seem quite interested in Bb do you suspect you may be postive for that bacteria?  Louise

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We did suspect that originally, but no I don't test positive for Lyme.  What I do see in the Bb issue is this - I see it I guess as a blueprint so to speak -  an issue that - once it is resolved, may finally once and for all 'wake up' our mainstream medical community as to what is going on with all of the illnesses represented here on this site for example, as well as Parkinson's, ALS, other illnesses that may actually be Lyme disease.  And out of that my hope is that finally it will become the norm for physicians to look for these various bacteria and learn how to work with their stealth properties instead of denying or being ignorant of their existance.

Kelly

Diagnosed FMS Feb '07.  2x/day: 600 mg NAC, 100 mg Doxy, 500 mg Amoxicillin, 2000 iu Vit. D.  450 mg Valcyte.  250 mg Azi M/W/F.  500 mg 375 mg Flagyl pulses every 3-4 weeks.  Started CAP June '07. 

Lida Mattman should receive the Nobel Prize.  Maybe if that would happen they (as in "mainstream") will finally begin to get serious about the various stealth properties of bacteria, and what the implications of those findings are with regards to antibiotic treatment.

Kelly

Diagnosed FMS Feb '07.  2x/day: 600 mg NAC, 100 mg Doxy, 500 mg Amoxicillin, 2000 iu Vit. D.  450 mg Valcyte.  250 mg Azi M/W/F.  500 mg 375 mg Flagyl pulses every 3-4 weeks.  Started CAP June '07. 

OK I google Lida Matten but nothing was revealed.  Do you have a link?

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The last name should be "Mattman".

I had a copy of her book "Cell Wall Deficient Forms" at one point, but didn't find it useful enough to keep. (Not when I could get about a hundred dollars for it, used, via Amazon.) The thinking in it did not seem particularly impressive: she mentions Cpn, for instance; but one of the main pieces of evidence mentioned was a finding that patients who had been in the hospital in the same room as a patient who had a heart attack tended to have heart attacks themselves, a few months later. That can hardly be anything other than random chance or correlation with some third factor that is the real cause -- since whatever the cause of heart attacks, it usually takes decades for the disease to build up to the point of an actual attack, not months. Besides, Cpn in the arteries isn't communicable; it's lung infections that are communicable. There's plenty of strong evidence for Cpn as a cause of heart attacks; it's counterproductive to cite that sort of fluff.

Sorry Louise - spelling error is now corrected, it's Lida Mattman.  She wrote "Stealth Pathogens", was a Nobel Prize candidate, did I believe 70 years' worth of research, developed an apparently highly accurate test for Lyme, was able to find live Bb spirochetes in body fluids as well as mosquitoes and other insects, and then was forced to shut down her lab.

Kelly

Diagnosed FMS Feb '07.  2x/day: 600 mg NAC, 100 mg Doxy, 500 mg Amoxicillin, 2000 iu Vit. D.  450 mg Valcyte.  250 mg Azi M/W/F.  500 mg 375 mg Flagyl pulses every 3-4 weeks.  Started CAP June '07. 

Louise, that really is amazing because I've done several searches on Lida Mattman before, and never found that link until now.

Kelly

Diagnosed FMS Feb '07.  2x/day: 600 mg NAC, 100 mg Doxy, 500 mg Amoxicillin, 2000 iu Vit. D.  450 mg Valcyte.  250 mg Azi M/W/F.  500 mg 375 mg Flagyl pulses every 3-4 weeks.  Started CAP June '07. 

I just found an article related to this very issue - from 1999!  Apparently some who were perceived as 'heretics' had been puzzling over the potential role of syphyllis in the development of AIDS: 

http://www.nowtoronto.com/issues/18/40/News/feature.html

One quote from the article "We've been aware for a long time that during the 70s and 80s, syphilis infected vast numbers of people who then went on to develop AIDS. But we didn't have a lot of modern-day support for the idea that the syphilis germ -- notoriously difficult to detect after the initial infection -- might be hiding in AIDS patients in some altered form. "

Kelly

Diagnosed FMS Feb '07.  2x/day: 600 mg NAC, 100 mg Doxy, 500 mg Amoxicillin, 2000 iu Vit. D.  450 mg Valcyte.  250 mg Azi M/W/F.  500 mg 375 mg Flagyl pulses every 3-4 weeks.  Started CAP June '07.