So, I have this dog.....
My dog, Max, has been pretty sick for quite some time. For the last many months, when I'm googling things, this site keeps coming up. I finally looked at little closer, not just at the thread that came up, and I see a lot of similarities, so maybe I will learn some things here that will help me save my dog.
This is more of an introduction, wasn't sure where to put it....but I need to change his treatment plan, and am not sure what my next step is, from the quick read, maybe adding NACi, but I need to research some more. I have a vet that I'm consulting with, but I'm doing most of the research.
Max has been on abxi off and on most of his life, he's 10 1/2 now, a German Shepherd Dog. I'll try to make this short-ish.....
Since late 2009, he's been on doxycycline, and for much of that time, also on amoxicillini and tylan (a macrolide for digestive stuff). He had a condition that usually responds to immuno-suppressants, but didn't, so I put together that protocol for him, thinking he had tick diseasesi. I have access to doxy, amoxi, azithromycin, tylan, cipro, flagyli - I think that's it.
I thought this would be as simple as supporting his system and slowly weaning him off the abxi, but I was wrong. Btw, he tests negative for anything, and weird reactions to lots of things, including meds.
He has a lot breathing issues, getting winded when he moves from one room to another, or even just sitting and getting excited. Testing also shows that he does not have enough blood moving through his body.
After many vet visits, finally, the internal medicine guy believes that this is infection and not autoimmune. He thinks it might be a pathogenic strain of e.coli, dilating his blood vessels, making it harder to circulate blood, and, at the same time, believes that he has lung inflammationi that is probably immune mediated. I have noticed that the breathing is worse off of the amoxicillin, so I think there might be something more.
He is currently on doxycycline, amoxicillin, and cipro. I was just looking up different ways to maybe pulse the cipro, or wondering if the azithro would be better after prolonged cipro (which really scares me long term!), when I ran across this site again. It's possible that I brought something home when my mom was in the ICU and subsequently a rehab facility, so who knows what he actually has 
You all seem to be the experts here, so I thought I'd throw all that out, in case you see anything useful to comment on.
Great site that you have here, never had an idea that this was a disease, and such a terrible and chronic one. I know quite a bit about tick diseases....very scary this world of infection :(
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Question.....
I'm guessing that Flagyli can't be given for only 3 days? Max gets pretty wobbly on day three, so I don't use it for him, though, after reading through the protocolsi, I'm wondering if he might tolerate 5 days.
Also looking at the NACi....the boy tends to not do very well on sulphur-based things (garlic, eggs, msm, etc.) - pees a lot, but I'm willing to give this a try, might be able to get him off the amoxicillini.
Thinking about what order to do things, he has had a profound response to azithromycin before, I don't know if it can replace the cipro.
Just thinking out loud....
**Maxwell, GSD, unknown chronic infection; Doxycycline 400mg BIDi, amoxicillini 500 mg BIDi, cipro 250 mg SID
If no one responds here about a dog abxi protocol, try immed.org . Garth Nicolson's cat died when their daughter brought home Gulf War Syndrome. He and his wife got very sick also. He has a vet section on his site. His specialty is Mycoplasma; not Chlamydia pneumoniae, but abxi treatment for both is similar.
Max is pretty old; I know you love him dearly.. You can always Email the Nicolsons. He and his wife are both PhD pathologists. One of them will answer you. They are not MDs so they won't prescribe, but they will recommend treatments, based on their research and experience.
MSi mom
Thank you MSmom, I appreciate the info and referral.....
He's an old boy in years, but not in spirit, figure he deserves every shot I can give him. I also figure that ultimately, I'll need the same advice as he needs now, but I'll cross that bridge later.
Thanks
**Maxwell, GSD, unknown chronic infection; Doxycycline 400mg BIDi, amoxicillini 500 mg BIDi, cipro 250 mg SID
Oh, wow. It's been awhile, but I know there's a site where a vet posted about treating a dog for cpni. It's not at all about dogs or cpn, but I tripped over it a couple of years ago. Let me do some hunting and see if I can find it for you.
The difference between what we do and what we are capable of doing would suffice to solve most of the world’s problems. Mohandas Gandhi
Feeling 98% well-going for 100. Very low test for Cpni. CAPi since 8-05 for Cpn/Mycoplasma P.,Lyme, Bartonella, Mold exposure,NACi,BHRT, MethyB12 FIRi Sauna. 1-18-11 begin new treatment plan with naturopath
Feeling 98% well-going for 100. Very low test for Cpni. CAPi since 8-05 for Cpn/Mycoplasma P.,Lyme, Bartonella, Mold exposure,NACi,BHRT, MethyB12 FIRi Sauna. 1-18-11 begin new treatment plan with naturopath
Thanks MacKintosh, I appreciate it!
Raven, I think you're right on about the vitamin C. In August, not knowing what else to do, the alternative vet and I started him on IV vitamin C infusions. I beleive that they are probably the reason that he is still here. I do give him sodium ascorbate orally, but he doesn't tolerate oral dosages very well, his digestive system is pretty shot. The vet Belfield is also one that recommends sodium ascorbate - so glad that your kitty got better!
That link about the kitty respiratory diseasei and vitamin Di, pretty amazing. I was giving Max vit D daily, but I got scared, and stopped. Vit. D confuses me. I'm sure, as it's true for humans, that K9 nutrient recommendations are not for optimal nutrition, nor for therapeutic dosing, but it just made me nervous. Perhaps this is another avenue to follow up on.
Thanks!
So here's my boy:
And his vitamin C infusions:
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f179/other95/medical/201110-13Infusion...
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f179/other95/medical/201110-13Infusion...
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f179/other95/medical/20119-27Infusion1...
Thanks for looking
**Maxwell, GSD, unknown chronic infection; Doxycycline 400mg BIDi, amoxicillini 500 mg BIDi, cipro 250 mg SID
private message sent.
You might want to check this facility out.
http://www.cvm.ncsu.edu/vhc/csds/ticklab.html
200mg doxyi daily, 500 zithromax mwf,flagyli 1000 m-fri.rifampin 2x daily,chloestryramine 2x daily
I dont have much to contribute in terms of supplementsi as I am also new to this.
But he is one amazing dog!!!!
..SYMPTOM FREE 06/2012.. RRMSi diagnosed - 01/2010 CAPi commenced 18/11/2011 *Doxycycline 200mg *Roxythromycin 300mg *Flagyli 1200mg 3 days/month
What a handsome fella!
Okay, I've located the website where I got that vet info, but haven't found the actual posts. I'll shoot for that later today. It's www.physicsforums.com
If you want to race over there, I post under the same screen name there and the topic was about cpni. It's at least a couple of years old, but I don't think he dumps any threads.
The difference between what we do and what we are capable of doing would suffice to solve most of the world’s problems. Mohandas Gandhi
The thread is - Could there be a link between MSi and Cat Scratch Fever? - in the Medical Sciences forum of Physics Forums.
This thread is located at: http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=299874&goto=newpost
The difference between what we do and what we are capable of doing would suffice to solve most of the world’s problems. Mohandas Gandhi