Rife machine info from expert

I know we have people using Rife machines. My acupuncturist has been studying Lyme disease for 20 years and this essay she wrote gives her findings.

Thanks, Arttile, for this!  I have not read the entire essay yet, but find the views expressed intriquing.  The 'father of biofilm' Dr. Costerton states towards the end of this interview that biofilms 'really do not like DC, (direct current) or ultrasound' when exposed to this in the lab.    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_DWNFFgHbE

I find the correlation that 'Rife machines work by using resonat ultrasound frequencies' quite compelling.
Wish I knew how to perform all the meridian related technologies on myself. Want a Rife machine. 

Great info and lots to think about!

The wound is the place where the light enters you. ~ Rumi

Mycoplasma, toxic mould exposure,  fungal overgrowth from wrong abx, involvement of- adrenals, thyroid, hormones, skin, joints, muscles, brain fog, body hum.  Good atti

The Rife machine is very controversial but, Ms. Creelman (Peggy) feels that that is because it is used incorrectly. This essay is a result of years of research on the frequencies that the Lyme diseases are most vulnerable to. You can use her charts for guidance. It is not the same as going to her, but it is the next best thing.

PPMS-misdiagnosed 2001-diagnosed 2006. Probably caught cpn in birth canal but it didn't pass BBB until my 40s. Minocycline 7 mos.- resulting bronchitis 5 months.Go to private m.d. out-of-plan. Wheldon CAP 3/2/07 Stopped 12/12; resumed 12/13

Nice find.  Note that that's two different things he's citing in that video: direct current, and ultrasound.  Either one, he says (just very briefly -- it's just a sentence or two), is inimical to biofilms.  But the one is sound waves, and the other is electricity, which gives two possible things to try, not just one.

The Rife machine doesn't do direct current, but its alternating current is low enough in frequency that it might pass.  And here's a paper which found an effect at 10 megahertz, which is above the Rife machine frequencies:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC529182/

There being an effect both above and below the Rife frequencies, it wouldn't be surprising if there were an effect at those frequencies.  Indeed, the last paragraph of the paper talks about searching the region between 0 and 10 MHz for the most effective frequencies, which really is getting to sound a lot like a Rife machine.  "This work is now in progress... and will be reported on later".  But there doesn't seem to be any such later report, so they either reconsidered the idea or found nothing interesting enough to publish.

Anyway, the currents they report using (6 mA/cm2) are a bit on the high side; I don't know if they are actually unsafe, but that's the sort of level of current you could definitely feel (though probably not when it's at that high a frequency).  I'm guessing most Rife machines put out less current than that.

Nancy,  Are you taking this therapy yourself?

Louise

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The thing is, Nancy, although Royal Rife invented some clever things, like the universal miroscope, the rife machine makes me think that he got something wrong.  How on earth does his machine distinguish between microbes and mitochondria?  You don't want to end up vibrating all your mitochmdria to death I would have thought........................Sarah

Completed Stratton/Wheldon regime for aggressive secondary progressive MS in June 2007, after four years, three of which intermittent.   Still improving bit by bit and no relapses since finishing treatment.

Sarah, I can't nswer your question but, apparently it does work if used properly. A well-known physician suggested that my friend go to Peggy in 2005 when abx failed to cure her. Peggy did. I am not using the Rife machine because I react so strongly to acupressure that, for now, the Rife machine would be too much.

The acupressure that she prescribes produces the same die-off as tini. I am doing it about twice a week and next week I will pulse tini.

I can't explain it but I can't explain electricity or the Higgs-boson either. Nevertheless, it seems to work.

Peggy is the 4th acupuncturist I've been to and the only one who is a scholar and who has been so dramatically successful. She is not getting rich off of this; she is getting wise.

PPMS-misdiagnosed 2001-diagnosed 2006. Probably caught cpn in birth canal but it didn't pass BBB until my 40s. Minocycline 7 mos.- resulting bronchitis 5 months.Go to private m.d. out-of-plan. Wheldon CAP 3/2/07 Stopped 12/12; resumed 12/13

Nancy, nobody can explain the Higgs-Boson but mitochondia are a different matter: if the rife machine is set to kill a pathogen the same size as a mitochondria, then I would be worried and I wouldn't trust an acypuncturist telling me not to be..................Sarah

Completed Stratton/Wheldon regime for aggressive secondary progressive MS in June 2007, after four years, three of which intermittent.   Still improving bit by bit and no relapses since finishing treatment.

 

O.K., don't.

 

PPMS-misdiagnosed 2001-diagnosed 2006. Probably caught cpn in birth canal but it didn't pass BBB until my 40s. Minocycline 7 mos.- resulting bronchitis 5 months.Go to private m.d. out-of-plan. Wheldon CAP 3/2/07 Stopped 12/12; resumed 12/13

D W

Sarah and I were discussing this over a slice of water-melon this morning.

I know little about Rife machines, so I am not qualified to discuss them. However, I gather the theory behind their operation is that certain frequencies destroy the bacterial cell wall causing bacterial death. However, our nucleated cells contain mitochondria. These were probably once free-living bacteria, possibly related to the rickettsias. It is surmised that they entered primitive eukaryotes about the time that plants were raising the levels of oxygen in the atmosphere. Initially pathologic, they later became symbiotic. Eukaryote and prokaryote became interdependent. Now, if Rife machines really worked there would be a big risk of mitochondrial destruction. (Mitochondria are midsized organelles, larger than chlamydiae but smaller than most eubacteria, e.g. E. coli.) Mitochondrial depletion would not be compatible with life.

D W - [Myalgia and hypertension (typically 155/95.) Began (2003) taking doxycycline and macrolide and later adding metronidazole. No medication now. Morning BP typically 110/75]

I am not the one to dispute your argument, David. But the answer we often give to neurologists is: it works. Acupressure works for me and, from what I understand, Peggy uses the machine to enhance the acupressure. Sometimes, as with aspirin, we just do what works. There are people on this site already Using a Rife machine. Perhaps this will help them.

Neither I nor Peggy believe in abandoning abx. This is an addition and for some of us it is worth a try. My mitochondria have not done too well on CAP.

Have you read her paper?

 

PPMS-misdiagnosed 2001-diagnosed 2006. Probably caught cpn in birth canal but it didn't pass BBB until my 40s. Minocycline 7 mos.- resulting bronchitis 5 months.Go to private m.d. out-of-plan. Wheldon CAP 3/2/07 Stopped 12/12; resumed 12/13

D W

Scientific citations, please. I have read her words. But I wish real evidence.

D W - [Myalgia and hypertension (typically 155/95.) Began (2003) taking doxycycline and macrolide and later adding metronidazole. No medication now. Morning BP typically 110/75]

I guess anecdotes will have to do . . . or not.

As far as mitochondria go, I have been on CAP for about 7 years and if energy is an indication of mitochondrial health, it hasn't worked. I am adding something new and trust my own self-awareness to decide whether to continue.

I posted this essay not for my own benefit but for the benefit of those who may have already bought Rife machines. It worked for my friend who had Lyme disease. It is not tailored to c.pn.

PPMS-misdiagnosed 2001-diagnosed 2006. Probably caught cpn in birth canal but it didn't pass BBB until my 40s. Minocycline 7 mos.- resulting bronchitis 5 months.Go to private m.d. out-of-plan. Wheldon CAP 3/2/07 Stopped 12/12; resumed 12/13

Nancy,  I have for a long time thought that you are a bit like me in that the endotoxins released as the abx do their job bog us down as my genetics does not support detoxification as well as some of the folks here that do not need the adjuncts that I use.

I'd say I have a mitochondrial deficit that needs support.  I am more aware of microcurrent frequency usage than Rife machines but they may be very similar or same called by another name.  

I would love it if you blog about your treatment from your personal perspective and share more as you learn more.

One sad thing is that the scientific documentation about CAP is ignored by most infectious disease specialists as bogus.   Energetic healing is a bit out there on the limb of the tree. And there are enough of us who have been supported by some of the modalities to support those disciplines.

I do see that you are a testimony to the fact that you are still bright and engaged despite your exposure to the Rife Machine treatments.   These machines have been around for a while and if they were truely detrimental they would have been banned.

Please keep up the conversation despite the comments from those that would not consider using this modalitiy.  An open forum is a good thing.

Louise

  • CAP(TiniOnly): 06/07-02/09 for CFS
  • MethylationProtocolSupplements: Started08/08
  • Intermtnt CAP: 02/09-02/10
  • Full MethylProtocol & LDN 02/09
  • Off CAP: 02/10, cont LDN & MethlyProtocol support

Well said, Louise.  I too have benefited by non-traditional modalities such as Earthing, which does work with energy frequencies just in a very different way.  I have only used the bands now for about 4 nights.  What I can share about this is that it has reduced the muscle fasciculations quite considerably for me.  As I have had not received medical assistance I have been enormously grateful for adjunct therapies that work. 

It would be interesting to read further patient experiences on Rife machines and their applications.  I do not know all involved in this technology, but would feel that an experienced practitioner would be a must.  Nancy seems blessed with hers.

The wound is the place where the light enters you. ~ Rumi

Mycoplasma, toxic mould exposure,  fungal overgrowth from wrong abx, involvement of- adrenals, thyroid, hormones, skin, joints, muscles, brain fog, body hum.  Good atti

But Nancy does not use a Rife machine: she sees an acupuncturist....................................Sarah

Completed Stratton/Wheldon regime for aggressive secondary progressive MS in June 2007, after four years, three of which intermittent.   Still improving bit by bit and no relapses since finishing treatment.

Sarah is right, in a way. My acupuncturist prefers to use a Rife machine for Lyme disease to preclude their going into a cystic state as with abx.  At this point my acupuncturist is having me do acupressure. From my point of view, there are 2 reasons to choose acupressure over Rife: 1. Using the Rife machine, she says, is equivalent to using electrified acupuncture needles. I am extremely sensiive to acupuncture and I couldn't possibly handle electrified needles; 2. My husband becomes a raging bull at the very mention of a Rife machine but is fine with acupuncture. Rife machines are considered fraudulent by many and Peggy says they are ineffective because they are used haphazardly and without expert guidance. The exact frequencies are needed for them to be effective. The booklet that the machine comes with is a shotgun approach and generally ineffective. Her paper, however, comes with specific charts as to how to set the frequencies, which is why I felt it might help those who have already purchased (and perhaps given up on) Rife machines. Her studies are limited to tick-borne diseases.

As for the acupressure, it doesn't hit as hard as tinidazole but it most certainly produces die-off which is why I use it as an adjunct. She is also using it to strengthen my immune system and liver. I don't do as much as she would like because the effect of the full protocol flattens me and I am supposed to do it daily.

PPMS-misdiagnosed 2001-diagnosed 2006. Probably caught cpn in birth canal but it didn't pass BBB until my 40s. Minocycline 7 mos.- resulting bronchitis 5 months.Go to private m.d. out-of-plan. Wheldon CAP 3/2/07 Stopped 12/12; resumed 12/13

Ah, I have got it: if a Rife machine actually works it will probably only do so with a pathogen with a cell wall, because the vibrations will cause them to knock against each other and kill themseves.  A mitochondria has no cell wall, but it does have two membranes, but hopefully two membranes are still not tough enough to make a cell wall.  I think that even if I had lyme disease I would be wary of risking it though......................................Sarah

Completed Stratton/Wheldon regime for aggressive secondary progressive MS in June 2007, after four years, three of which intermittent.   Still improving bit by bit and no relapses since finishing treatment.

Passing electric current through your body is going to do things, and it wouldn't be surprising if it activated the immune system (say, by damaging something, with the immune system then responding to the damage).  But actual electromagnetic resonance of the sort Rife claimed is only plausible to people who know nothing about electromagnetism and resonance.  You'd need vastly higher frequencies to get small structures like bacteria or mitochondria resonating.  And even then the Q would probably be so lousy that nothing of any importance would result.

Oooh, such a cynic! 

PPMS-misdiagnosed 2001-diagnosed 2006. Probably caught cpn in birth canal but it didn't pass BBB until my 40s. Minocycline 7 mos.- resulting bronchitis 5 months.Go to private m.d. out-of-plan. Wheldon CAP 3/2/07 Stopped 12/12; resumed 12/13

I like this site as I learn alot on it.  As like anything in life, varying opinions and options abound. The beauty of being individuals.

Sometimes science is not always exact about any approach and sometimes the science is thin at best.  I don't know enough about Rife technology, but I think like anything one has to use their own experience and judgement to guide.  It is not always easy running the gauntlet of hope in order to get to the other side.  It is nice when others who are able can light the way..

Whatever you decide, Nancy, I wish you all the best.  It would be great to see other people's experiences posted here for interested parties to reference!

The wound is the place where the light enters you. ~ Rumi

Mycoplasma, toxic mould exposure,  fungal overgrowth from wrong abx, involvement of- adrenals, thyroid, hormones, skin, joints, muscles, brain fog, body hum.  Good atti

Just came back from Lyme doc who has given up his license because of gov't. Well, long story short - he is using the Bi-Com ( quantum physics ) which he says cures Lyme et al in a year + 1/2 at 300$ a month. Comments? Please? Also just had a Vega machine supplement test for 200$ All good. Comments here please too?...I am already broke LOL

Best,

Linda

 

Linda, don't touch it unless you want to prove Barnum right................Sarah 

Completed Stratton/Wheldon regime for aggressive secondary progressive MS in June 2007, after four years, three of which intermittent.   Still improving bit by bit and no relapses since finishing treatment.

Lucky, I couldn't find info on the Bi-com, but here is the Wiki article on Vega machines:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vega_machine

One of the reasons I trust Peggy Creelman is that she continues to work on helping me and refuses payment until 

i have been helped.

PPMS-misdiagnosed 2001-diagnosed 2006. Probably caught cpn in birth canal but it didn't pass BBB until my 40s. Minocycline 7 mos.- resulting bronchitis 5 months.Go to private m.d. out-of-plan. Wheldon CAP 3/2/07 Stopped 12/12; resumed 12/13

Gee Lucky - I wish I had a doc that refuses payment until I am helped. I am happy for you!!! Well, as I said I had the Vega tests - one for bactieria et al and one for the supplements I take and the ones the Doc would like to give me. They are all fine apparently lol. 300 - 400$ fine that is.

In the midst of this - first day of skool, 2nd day long staff meeting and then piece de resistance - 3rd day Doc. Long week.

I told him that with the treatment for my husband and I it would be 600$ a month - and this runs at least for a year + our regular supps and his visits at 200$ an hour. Wow. We need to eat too, can you imagine. I think I will go my abx thank you Dr. Wheldon route and carry on......

OK I need to look up Barnum - tired so maybe tomorrow.

Best,

Tired Linda

I think the quote is "There is a sucker born every minute..."  I am not sure, but this is my best guess.

I agree so much money on these doctors and then for what.  They get richer and we might get better.  No guarantees in life and certainly not in health.

I am still waiting for my abx and beginning to wonder if I am just out the dough I spent on them.  Maybe that quote applies to this situation.

I don't want to get too far off topic as this is about Rife machines and the technology used - does it help people or hinder?

Take care All.

The wound is the place where the light enters you. ~ Rumi

Mycoplasma, toxic mould exposure,  fungal overgrowth from wrong abx, involvement of- adrenals, thyroid, hormones, skin, joints, muscles, brain fog, body hum.  Good atti