Not chlamydophila, but still interesting.

 I thought this was an interesting study, with some analogous processes to C.Pn., and some other processes not at all similar.

Ron
 

Cell Wall Of Pneumonia Bacteria Can Cause Brain And Heart Damage

Thanks Ron. It is interesting and frightening. CAP 2/14/06 for Cpn-CFS/FM/CD
CAP 2/14/06 for Cpn-CFS/FM/CD

Some doctors blame obsessive compulsive disorder on strep. It sounds similar to the article above.

Combined Antibiotic Protocol for chlamydia pneumoniae in fibromyalgia, interstitial cystitis, sinus: minocycline,Zithromycin, Tinidazole or Flagyl

minocycline, azithromycine, metronidazole 2007-2009, chelation for lead poisoning, muscle pain, insomnia, interstitial cystitis (almost well), sinus, dry eyes, stiff neck, veins, hypothyroid, TMJ, hip joints (no longer hurt)

Ron, Altesa, and Janice,  Yes it is frightening.  It's also another expose of how the BBB is not the infallible armor it was once thought to be.  I may be way out in left field with my ideas of how glutathione depletion serves as an avenue to multiple chronic infections following a trigger infection, but, in my humble opinion, the scenario given in that article smacks of being one of many possible trigger infections or trigger events. 

Joyce~caregiver and advocate in Dallas for SteveJ (SPMS):  started CAP 8/21/06

Joyce~caregiver-advocate in Dallas for Steve J (SPMS).  CAP since August 06, Cpn, Mpn, B. burgdorferi, systemic candidiasis, EBV, CMV & other herpes family viral infections, elevated heavy metals, gluten+casein sensitivity. 

I had to rethink my idea of a bacterium. The cell wall is "active" even when it's not a part of a bacterium any longer. It does what it does because of its molecular structure, not because it is wielded like a weapon. I guess I was anthropomorphizing too much.

It made me think that a LPS might be similar -- a detached piece of a C.Pn. that still does some of what it did when it was attached. 

Ron 

On Stratton protocol for CFS starting 01/06 (NE Ohio, USA)

Currently: doxy & zith -- continous; metronidazole -- 4days on, 7 days off.

Ron

On CAP for CFS starting 01/06 (NE Ohio, USA)

Began rifampin trial 1/14/09

Currently: on intermittent

Ron,  If not wielded as a weapon, still alot of raw material for destruction.  Thanks for posting this article.  It's the type of information that serves up plenty of food for tangential thought for a group like this.  Joyce

Joyce~caregiver-advocate in Dallas for Steve J (SPMS).  CAP since August 06, Cpn, Mpn, B. burgdorferi, systemic candidiasis, EBV, CMV & other herpes family viral infections, elevated heavy metals, gluten+casein sensitivity. 

Joyce, here's an analogy that I liked: there's an urban legend about an auto mechanic in the American West who changed a tire and died mysteriously. The end of the story is that there was a rattlesnake fang in the tire and he died of 'snakebite'.

Not true, of course, the fang doesn't hold enough venom for that, but the principle is kind of the same. The "dead" pieces of cell wall still do their job, even without the rest of the organism.

Ron

On Stratton protocol for CFS starting 01/06 (NE Ohio, USA)

Currently: doxy & zith -- continous; metronidazole -- 4days on, 7 days off.

Ron

On CAP for CFS starting 01/06 (NE Ohio, USA)

Began rifampin trial 1/14/09

Currently: on intermittent

There's an article somewhere in the Research pages that describes how cellular material from dead Cpn causes inflammation up to two weeks after the bacteria has died. So we know this is true for Cpn as well as the pneumonia material mentioned in the article cited by Ron. As you said, Ron, it's the molecules which persist as well as the bacteria!

Combined Antibiotic Protocol for Chlamydia pneumonia in Chronic Fatigue Syndrome & Fibromyalgia- Currently: 150mg INH, Doxycycline/Zithromycin, Tinidazole pulses. Northern Ohio, USA

 

CAP for Cpn 11/04. Dx: 25+yrs CFS & FMS. Currently: 250 aithromycin mwf, doxycycline 100mg BID, restarted Tini pulses; Vit D2000 units, T4 & T3, 6mg Iodoral