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Submitted by Sarah on Sat, 2019-07-20 11:02

Online Pharmacies

This particular article has been around for over two years:

https://www.nhs.uk/news/medical-practice/inappropriate-antibiotic-prescribing-by-online-pharmacies-reckless/ 

Since before that time I have been directing people to places to buy the medication listed on this site, which they are unable to obtain from their GPs. At first I was uneasy about doing this, but I was only giving the address to people who, for example, had a progressive form of multiple sclerosis, by and large deemed incurable by the neurological community and thus the majority of GPs, most of whom seem incapable of thinking for themselves.  The people all seemed fairly intelligent and able to follow the instructions on taking the medication so I was not increasing the risk of causing widescale resistance to antibiotics.

This resistance, in any case, is made much more likely by feeding various antibiotics to farm animals, not because they are ill, but as prophylactics , to make the animals grow quicker and 'healthier.'  I found out yesterday that farmers can still buy antibiotics online for their animals.  Bought in powder form, they can just be spooned into the animal feed, not even put in neat little capsules, like some of us do with biotin.

Since about two weeks ago, people in the UK and other members of the EU, have been unable to buy stuff from online pharmacies: I thought at first, it would be like before: companies change their names and reopen as someone else, but I am afraid that this time it is different and the 'nanny state' has won.  If you manage to order from somewhere it will be confiscated by customs and you will never see it. 

If you have enough abx for a year's treatment, you will likely be alright, because we were maybe ultra cautious in the early days.  Also, once you have got rid of the infection, there are other things you can use, like high-dose biotin for MS.  

Also, you might be able to find a GP willing to prescribe for you: more likely if you have or can afford a private GP, or https://breakspearmedical.com/, which used to be the Breakspear private clinic..  A lyme literate doctor is another alternative, if you can find one, but finally there is the option of treatment with herbs: the Buhner protocol or one other treatment I have heard of.

So, Nanny State here we come!

 

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Thank you for the info Sarah!  I am so tired of hearing about antibiotic resistance --- most of it coming from liberal politicians and liberal doctors that are clueless about the history of antibiotics.  So I will try to provide some perspective.

This may come as a surprise: no new antibiotic drug class has been discovered since 1980!  For Gram-negative bacteria, there has been no new class since 1962!!!  How long do we expect antibiotics to work before resistance has developed?  Well, the time frame varies considerably, with some bacteria developing resistance in as little as 2 years against a particular antibiotic.  However, we are talking 57 years since the last "new class" of antibiotic against Gram negative bacteria!

Why no new class in 57 years?  By the time that I started working in the pharmaceutical industry in the late 1980's, most pharma companies had completely shut down their antibiotic programs.  Why?  Simply put, pharma companies could make a hell of a lot more money marketing cardiovascular drugs.  When that gravy train ran out in the early 1990's, pharma companies realized that mergers and buyouts could generate quick profits by cannibalizing another company's product line.  [As an example, Pfizer bought Warner Lambert to get Lipitor.  All of the scientists at Warner Lambert lost their jobs.]  Then came the age of "lifestyle drugs" at the turn of the century - Viagra, Cialis, and the mega-blockbuster SSRIs.  So, why would pharma bother developing a new antibiotic class to make a couple hundred million $, when they can make billions of $$$ on a drug like Zoloft.

If large pharma took 10% of their profit from SSRIs and funneled it into R&D for new antibiotics, there would be new classes of antibiotics and we wouldn't even be talking about antibiotic resistance.  Given that antibiotics have only been around for about 100 years, 57 years since the last new class is an eternity on the antibiotic timescale.  One of my colleagues at Pfizer once told me that Pfizer employed more MBAs than scientists.  I guess that tells us everything.

D W

A fascinating story: thanks.

There may be parallels with antidepressants. I recall as a student in the early 70’s being attached to a GP in Bristol who had a young male patient who became quickly and completely hooked on Valium, then newly introduced. “But the company that makes it says that Valium is completely devoid of habit-forming qualities,” said the GP.

I wrote a story in which the narrator discusses the deceits of drug companies. “Diazepam was considered totally non-addictive by its manufacturer, who made a big point of this. Well, to quote Mandy Rice-Davies: “he would, wouldn’t he?Diazepam (Valium) can be habit-forming and tolerance develops with time, in much the same way that it does with barbiturates, though one has to say that diazepam is much, much safer. Of course, that it would be likely to become habit-forming is common sense, and the medical profession should have guessed this before prescribing it wholesale for minor stress. Anything that blunts the edge of anxiety and makes you feel soothed is pretty well bound to be difficult to quit. This goes for beliefs as much as drugs. The world’s a cold, hard place unless you love and are reciprocally loved.”

Remember the novel Brave New World by Aldous Huxley, where the population is controlled by a sedative called soma: “the warm, the richly coloured, the infinitely friendly world of soma-holiday. How kind, how good-looking, how delightfully amusing every one was!”

D W - [Myalgia and hypertension (typically 155/95.) Began (2003) taking doxycycline and macrolide and later adding metronidazole. No medication now. Morning BP typically 110/75]

David, yes I remember as a five year old, watching a friend's mother opening, what I thought was her shiny silver powder compact and taking out a small pill, which she downed with a glass of water. I remember her rather sheepish look to this day.

And no, it wasn't saccharin: that followed with a cup of tea, fifteen minutes later.

Completed Stratton/Wheldon regime for aggressive secondary progressive MS in June 2007, after four years, three of which intermittent.   Still improving bit by bit and no relapses since finishing treatment.

Scott, although I knew about the timescale of antibiotic development, I was totally surprised to hear about the number of MBAs employed by Pfizer as compared to the number of scientists. But why was I surprised? After all, the whole education system is now scewed, with graduates getting useless degrees which don't train them for anything, the graduates might as well carry on and get a useless Masters.

Completed Stratton/Wheldon regime for aggressive secondary progressive MS in June 2007, after four years, three of which intermittent.   Still improving bit by bit and no relapses since finishing treatment.

Hi Guys,

You can buy antibiotics in Mexico, I believe. I did a quick Google search: 

Re: Medication from Mexico

15 Sep 2018, 20:39

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Never had an issue with antibiotics, blood pressure meds or any cold or allergy medicines. Even the over the counter in Mexico that aren’t over the counter in the US, I have never had a problem. I didn’t take large quantities. The largest supply I ever took back was 90 days.

 

Cheers,
Lizzie

Elizabeth Anne

I checked Spain for antibiotics because there are some "rumors" on the internet that a doctor's prescription is not necessary at the pharmacies.  This is false!  I have a few friends in Spain that checked for me last week.  They went to 4 different pharmacies and all required a doctor's prescription.

The Swedish government stated that they are working with other countries to introduce the same stringent policies regarding antibiotics that Sweden has enforced.  They did not name the countries that they have been talking with.

Lizzie, the problem is importing from abroad: they will be stopped in customs. It has already happened with propranolol for my use.

Completed Stratton/Wheldon regime for aggressive secondary progressive MS in June 2007, after four years, three of which intermittent.   Still improving bit by bit and no relapses since finishing treatment.

I can't say for certain. Maybe it is an EU ruling: many countries ignore them, but we never do, although now it seems that we are dying to get out.

Completed Stratton/Wheldon regime for aggressive secondary progressive MS in June 2007, after four years, three of which intermittent.   Still improving bit by bit and no relapses since finishing treatment.

Scott, I see Sweden is behind it and we must be following in the UK!

Completed Stratton/Wheldon regime for aggressive secondary progressive MS in June 2007, after four years, three of which intermittent.   Still improving bit by bit and no relapses since finishing treatment.

Sarah, this country is insane.  I saw a news clip on Swedish TV today that the government is planning to enforce even greater controls over antibiotic use (the previous controls were already extreme!).  There were a couple articles in today's newspapers as well.  The Minister of Social Affairs, Lena Hallengren, is spearheading the effort.  This is liberal extremism.  For the record, I am an American and I am not a liberal.

Scott, on the record, I am English, a liberal and I want us to remain in the EU.

Our conservative government is backing Sweden on the control of antibiotic use and this will stay, whichever party wins the next general election and whether we leave the EU or not.

This problem about the antibiotics needed to treat a chronic C pn infection would not exist if our medical education was better, but until that happens, we need the ability to buy abx online, so that intelligent people can treat themselves, using the information given here:

http://www.davidwheldon.co.uk/ms-treatment.html

 

 

 

Completed Stratton/Wheldon regime for aggressive secondary progressive MS in June 2007, after four years, three of which intermittent.   Still improving bit by bit and no relapses since finishing treatment.

Yes, Western Europe is mostly liberal while Eastern Europe is mostly conservative.

With respect to medical education and the ability to buy antibiotics online, both are moving in the wrong direction.  This is the question now: how far are they going to take this?  At least people in the UK have been able to get antibiotics one way or another in the past.  This has not been the case at all in Sweden.  As I mentioned previously, the doctors here reject ALL of the scientific literature on Cpn in peer-reviewed medical journals.

http://clinchem.aaccjnls.org/content/clinchem/47/7/1304.full.pdf

I think this article says that vitamins won't reduce homocysteine levels.  I wonder what will.

I think I have a severe case of cpn,in the brain which I got about 8 months ago (Oct. 2018).  

I have a lot of issues with depression, balance, eyesight, ear and teeth problems.  Most important, I have brain shrinkage, and some strange symptoms of that. Does anyone share these issues?

Well, now we can't get any online abx: if some company sends them they will be confiscated in customs and maybe sent back or maybe just lost.

To my mind, this is not liberal behaviour, but then we do have  conservative government.  We must be copying Sweden on this. 

Completed Stratton/Wheldon regime for aggressive secondary progressive MS in June 2007, after four years, three of which intermittent.   Still improving bit by bit and no relapses since finishing treatment.