Nitro

Hi

Looking for folks experience with Nitro. Recently saw Dr. Powell and they have me trying it with some vits- for chronic fatigue and the bit..    has it been helping anyone? how long to get over the side effects of headache?  

 

thanks~

q

I also see Dr. Powell. I tried the nitro for awhile. Pieces of the pill were tolerable, but I never could get used to wearing even a small piece of the patch. It just gave me a constant headache. I hope you do better. Please don't give up because of what I wrote here.

 I think my case may be unusual in that I have had constant headache for 3 years long before trying nitro. I also am now being treated for babesia. I still use all Powell's supplementsi. The hydroxy B12 shot seems to help the most.

Paula

Paula Carnes

I believe Raven has had good experience with it, perhaps she'll be along to comment. I also got headache from it, so couldn't stay with it long enough to test the benefit. But to be honest I haven't yet consulted back with him on it to see how he would tweak it.

 

CAPi for Cpni 11/04. Dxi: 25+yrs CFSi & FMSi. Currently: 250 aithromycin mwf, doxycycline 100mg BIDi, restarted Tinii pulses; Vit D2000 units, T4 & T3, 6mg Iodoral

i was reading that it can be addicitive..  the feeling of blood rushing through my body is uncomfortable... i am only taking a small dose of tablet right now. 

thanks!

is it addictive? also how long before the rush of blood to my head stops?   or will it always happen with the tablets?  i'm not sure i like this feeling.

 

thanks.

Hi Qk, I began with the tiny tablets in mid Oct. I had the headaches all the time but found if I made a thermos of coffee and sipped it throughout the day, it stopped the headache fairly quickly. I moved to the patch after a month. It took four months to stop all the signs of headache. I still have some coffee in the morning but not after that.

What I noticed the first two months was increased energy and stamina. My workouts were a lot easier. I am concerned that I have vascular damage from Cpni and am hoping the Nitro will help with this and improve my circulation.

As for Cpn die off, I noticed increased dieoff from pulses and also after I take vitamin Di.

I'm now doing 2 weeks of ingesting cilantro for heavy metals. I make a shake in the blender with it and some fruit or put it in my salad. There is some research suggesting that persistant infectionsi use heavy metals to hide from the immunei system and protect themselves from antibioticsi. Cilantro has been shown to chelate heavy metals.

Will check in and report on what happens with this. If you can be persistant and sip something with caffiene, you will adjust to the Nitro. BTW, it is being used to treat tendonitis. I injured my rotator cuff and used the patch on it. Took three months to fully heal but I think it was better than a cortisone shot (which is not good for the immune system and what I would have received if I went to see the orthopedic guy)

Hope this helps,

Raven

Feeling 98% well-going for 100. Very low test for Cpni. CAPi since 8-05 for Cpn/Mycoplasma P.,Lyme, Bartonella, Mold exposure,NACi,BHRT, MethyB12 FIRi Sauna. 1-18-11 begin new treatment plan with naturopath

So Raven, I get from what you write here that the effect of the nitro that is useful is the vasodilitation to allow areas of the body where restrictions may exist to experence more blood flow and in the case of the tendonitis, which is an area of reduced blood flow, this could be beneficial for healing.  Also allow abxi to get to areas that are hard to reach due to the anatomical restraints.  

I guess those who have a tendency to headaches might be suseptible to that effect to a greater extent.  

Thanks for sharing your experience, I will watch for your update on this one.

Qcam, you have some good responses here.  Did you get any advice from your provider for a mild pain reliever and which one is suggested by him?

I find this topic of great interest Qcam, thanks for asking these questions.

Louise

  • CAPi(TiniOnly): 06/07-02/09 for CFSi
  • MethylationProtocolSupplements: Started08/08
  • Intermtnt CAP: 02/09-02/10
  • Full MethylProtocol & LDNi 02/09
  • Off CAP: 02/10, cont LDN & MethlyProtocol support

Thanks for posting the information on the nitro patch.  Cpni can be a big issue with vascular problems. This has hindered my treatment on starting the pulsing part. I see my doctor on Friday and will be sure to ask her about it.

What is the doseage that Dr. P likes to start with?

qcam it sounds like you have a terrific doctor and you under good care for your treatment. 

Having better blood flow to diffrent areas of the body would help with more tissue healing. 

Great question to ask qcam. Good luck with your treatment and better health.

started Wheldon capi 4/21/08 for Cpni, CMV, EBVi, CFSi. Cap hold 4/09vascultis. Restart 9/09 with Dr.Powell, restore gut, 4000 D3, supplementsi,  Pos. Bartonella and Babesia, Rifampin 600 mgs and Biaxon 1 gram. 

I thought I would mention that while I did not take the pill or do the patch, I did try a NO product 2 years ago when I was still going to the gym.  In my case, I used it for about 4 months and then stopped using it.

What I used was a product called "NO-Xplode".  It's a NitricOxide product with creatine for use in increasing energy during weight training.  It works.  However, it made me dizzy when I used it, made it difficult to focus my eye sight, so I stopped using it.  But, it does increase energy and someone with chronic fatigue might find it useful.  Its something you can try without a prescription.

best, John

RRMSi/EDSSi was 4.5, 5, 6, 6.5, 6.9999, 6.5 on Wheldon/Stratton Protocol beginning 04/12/2006
naci 4x600 mg/day
doxycycline 2x100mg/day
azithromycin 3x250mg/day MWF
metronidazole 3x400mg/day then 3x500mg/day

Interesting information John.  I had not heard about that product before.
  • CAPi(TiniOnly): 06/07-02/09 for CFSi
  • MethylationProtocolSupplements: Started08/08
  • Intermtnt CAP: 02/09-02/10
  • Full MethylProtocol & LDNi 02/09
  • Off CAP: 02/10, cont LDN & MethlyProtocol support
First off, there is nothing in the slightest addictive about nitro. Just ain't so. Second off, I would not encourage people to try this without a Dr. Powell's specific supervision. His rationale is not related to the circulation issue per se, but for other biochemical reasons, and it's effects are balanced by other supplementsi he uses in his protocol. Surface glance reasoning from a complex balanced protocol doesn't help anyone here.

 

CAPi for Cpni 11/04. Dxi: 25+yrs CFSi & FMSi. Currently: 250 aithromycin mwf, doxycycline 100mg BIDi, restarted Tinii pulses; Vit D2000 units, T4 & T3, 6mg Iodoral

I am taking it with Dr.P's prescription along with some other suppliments.. something made me really bloated and nausious.. my stomach is still upset.. guess i will call them and see what they suggest.

 

thanks
q

Jim is correct. Nitro should not be used without a doctor's supervision. Raven

Feeling 98% well-going for 100. Very low test for Cpni. CAPi since 8-05 for Cpn/Mycoplasma P.,Lyme, Bartonella, Mold exposure,NACi,BHRT, MethyB12 FIRi Sauna. 1-18-11 begin new treatment plan with naturopath

Personally, this adjunct or anything similar is not of interest to me at this point in time.  I do recall reading a bit about a concept regarding  Nitric Oxide and chronic fatigue but did not really explore it.  So I can see that it might be used from a more complex biochemical approach and not something to take casually, without supervision.

Jim and Raven thanks for your input.  Louise

  • CAPi(TiniOnly): 06/07-02/09 for CFSi
  • MethylationProtocolSupplements: Started08/08
  • Intermtnt CAP: 02/09-02/10
  • Full MethylProtocol & LDNi 02/09
  • Off CAP: 02/10, cont LDN & MethlyProtocol support

I am just curious if anyone has had any water retention or stomach upset from the Nitro  ... or if it could be Iodoral causing this?

 also when I saw Dr. Powell's assistant on Monday,(my first visit with them)   a really nice guy.. I told him my concerns about the Nitro..  yet they were really kinda insistant I try it.. said it would help me to get better.. 

my last cpni test wasn't showing active infection so we are retesting.. I am  curiouse why i was told to take the nitro although my tests are inconclusive for CPN and we are waiting for more..   

 

it would be great if is helps with the joint pain..(probably from lymes)

in any regarding I called their office and left a message about my side effects..     thanks everyone!   glad it's almost the weekend- 

I went to his office thinking they were following the Tietelbaum protocol.. i was suprised about the nitro.

 

peace

q

I have been seeing Dr P and getting nitro pills and yet to start the patch. I don't even notice the headaches after a few minutes. The headache remind me of the headaches I had when quitting coffee a couple years back. Kind of die-off symptoms from quitting caffine.

Dr P is  the forth Dr I have seen for CFSi and seems to be the first guy to really help me at all. I would keep working with him and stick to his proticol or at least discuss. He has many tricks and things to try to offset your concerns and symptoms.

 

 

CPNi off the charts, EBVi, Chronic fatigue 20+ yrs, , tinittus, Orthostatic intolerance, adrenal fatigue, excitotoxicty, porphyriai, anxiety, depression, doxyi, AMOX, and FLAGYLi since JAN 2009,  

I have to second what Mark said. Stick with it and listen to his advice and you will get well. Wow Mark, I thought I had high levels of Cpni. You've got me beat. Well if he can help me, I'm sure he can help you.Lucky you found him.

Qk, I have sometimes retained fluids from inflammationi. My right hand was affected and as I killed the bugs I noticed my fingers would be swollen at times. Toxins being released can make you feel some intestinal distress. So can yeast problems.

Try some probiotics, vitamin C. I also like licorice tea with a dropperful of olive leaf extract. Are you taking any charcoal caps?

Raven

Feeling 98% well-going for 100. Very low test for Cpni. CAPi since 8-05 for Cpn/Mycoplasma P.,Lyme, Bartonella, Mold exposure,NACi,BHRT, MethyB12 FIRi Sauna. 1-18-11 begin new treatment plan with naturopath

Raven,

Thanks to this site I found a great doctor and feel I am on the path to improvement! Always a pleasure reading your positive posts to boot raven! I'm a big fan of yours ;O)

 Cam, I did have an upset stomach from anti-biotics and maybe uridisol. But that seems to have subsided. Did I mention I also have CRS (can't remember S@#T?)

 Mark

CPNi off the charts, EBVi, Chronic fatigue 20+ yrs, , tinittus, Orthostatic intolerance, adrenal fatigue, excitotoxicty, porphyriai, anxiety, depression, doxyi, AMOX, and FLAGYLi since JAN 2009,  

I need to chime in here too:) For years my head has had swellies, (bacteria/virus's) imbedded between my scalp and skull. And effecting my eyes, and of course my thinking. Since I have started the nitro patches they are clearing up. My brain is working better. I never got a headache from them. But boy it sure made my swellies hurt. And made me have to go to bed a couple of times. I figured the nitro must be expanding the vessels in there. I had to back down on it for a while, cut the patches in small pieces, Now I am on a full patch. Like any medication, if it seems to affect you, back off and start off slowly. I talk to Dr. P this month and I know he is going to be thrilled. I also have been taking Serrapeptase the same amount of time. And supplementsi and Sauna. Been off antibioticsi now for 8 months. Was on them for 9 years. :) I am on a Nautral High .....:) Keep at it, you'll find the right dosage. Jodie Lyme for atleast 29 years, CPNi, Babesia, Bartonella, EBVi, CMV Thank God for Doctors like Doctor "P" that never gave up on me!!
jodie

Thanks everyone for your info and feedback.LYME??  ~  it does seem like the nitro pills are helping to reduce some of my joint pain..  and I notice my stomach seems to be upset in the liver area-  I have a history of Hep C so my liver my not be the strongest..   I did some labs yesterday. I marked the C. phne test, for some reason I think they forgot.. i hope they dont mind that I added it. 

has anyone tried the horney goat weed to improve circulation?   

 also with the Nitro  am in curious about the long term effects, for heart patients they do not take it every day-  but we do I guess i'm curious what studies have shown for long term on this stuff  after all it is what they put in dynamite--  I am a bit concerned and my friends  seems a bit concern.  I am consider consulting with my cardiologist for some additional feedback.

 

also-  Lymes-   I am starting to think this is part of my problem although dr. p  didn't think so.  one of my tests came out positive and i know i have had expsousre to ticks   and tick bites.    looking for feedback about how to get him to investgate more into lyme treatment..

 

i apprecatie everybodys input and experience strenght and hope on this healing journey.!   

thank you!

http://content.onlinejacc.org/cgi/content/full/32/7/1969

 

I DONT KNOW  what any of this means--  i just want to be safe!  thanks!

Jodie, I also go to Dr. Powell and think he is outstanding. Having said that, I get no help from the nitro and cannot tolerate even a small piece of the patch. I just have a constant 24/7 headache on top of the headache I have now had for 3 years.

How was your head pressure diagnosed? I developed something 3 years ago that seemed like menningitis and vestibular nerve damage. I have never recovered and now have constant headache for 3 years. I have never had headaches prior to this in my entire life. MRI and lumbar puncture and eye exams have failed to uncover any cause.

 Also, how were you treated for babesia and do you know if you have cleared that?

I have relapsed with babesia after treatment in 2003. I now wonder if this is the cause of the ongoing headache. I also have night sweats. These have stopped since I started low dose naltrexone about 2 months ago.

Paula

Paula Carnes

I am very concerned about patients who have active Lyme and Co-infectionsi just using nitro etc....You really need to see a proper LLMD and treat the co-infections properly. Babesia, Bartonella will not go away with any natural protocol. Please go to a Lyme website and ask for a Dr. in your area! Cpni patients think Dr. P is terrific and I know he is, just looking out for the lymies. Best, Chris
CAPi since 11/06 for Cpni, Lyme, Bartonella, Babesia, Myco P, CMV, HHV-6 infectionsi. Rifampin 600mg daily, Zithromax 500mg daily. NACi 2250mg daily. All other supplementsi. Now Bicillin LA 2.4 mil injection weekly.

I have seen Dr. Powell and was given a batch of supplementsi along with the nitro patch.  I prefer to add one med/supplement at a time to see how my body reacts.  It does well with morning-only B-vits, I cannot sleep with injections.  Ioderal makes me manic as does the Nitro (no headaches, i just couldn't sleep); this is not helpful given my ME!  The glutathione cream also created too high of an energy buzz. My body seems fine with the other supps.  I am increasing Vit D by only 2K units per 3 months with a blood test before increasing the dose; another physician does not want me over bld serum of 100. 

Dr. P has his own theories, but i wish he could have explained chelation and methylation protocolsi.  Dr. Bell is also a big proponent of NO.

Good luck with the protocol. 

VF

ME. HHV-6, EBVi, CpNi, EV.  Valcyte (9mo.'07-'08).  4gr Valtrex (since Nov '08). 2400mg NACi + 200mg Doxyi 8/08; added 250mg Azith 12/08; 1st Flagyli pulse 2/09. 6K Vit D.

Hi Paula, I went many years with problems with my head, couldn't turn my head, stiffness in my spine. Every dang doctor I went to.... went, hmmmmm I don't know what that is. Or you have depression. Or you need to go to a surgeon. It was pretty insane of all the misdiagnoising I got. In 1999 I started getting these huge swellies around my soft spot that twice a month, around the full moon and my monthlys they would swell up and I would absolutley go insane. Took many trips to the ER for shots to calm me down. Around 2004 or 2005 I just had constant heaviness on the right side of my head, like someone was just squeezing my head. The roof of my mouth turned BLACK...and I went to dentist and ENT and of course they had no idea what it was. Then I noticed that I started losing my emotions. Didn't yawn, didn't feel tired or any feelings. Then around 2006 I noticed that I couldn't feel hot or cold. I didn't feel excitment or anything like that. It was like looking out through a muddy windown and you have a little peep hole......So I would sit here on the computer and read up on things,and go to chat boards. And figured out for myself what was going on. It was hard for me to get in my car and drive cause I felt so lopsided. Parinoid. Scared! Everyone around me thought I was depressed. One of the terms I found was ....flat line...... Anyway long story short that is how I got a diagnoises. I had to do my own research and ran it across my current doctor whom said yes it sounds like bacteria, viruses in your blood vessels, nerves. Chris I'm sorry didn't mean to imply that the nitro patches were the only things that helped. I have been on picci lines,antibioticsi, homeopathic, supplementsi, you name it I have done it. Did antibiotics for 9 years. Doc P and I pulled me off them around 8 months ago to see how far I could go. I am doing, NACi, D3, T-3, SAME, Levothroxine, nitro, virtin E, gensing, Serrapeptase, Valtrex and benedryl to help me sleep. And I agree as sick as I was, nitro would not have done the job at that time. I think everyone is just in different phases of their treatment. Some medications work for some and some absolutley don't work. Our bodies are all made up differently. With the migranes I had those for 8 years straight 24/7. with night sweats. Could be hormones could be babesia. I also had a hard time catching my breath. About 3 years ago I read on the internet about Plaquinel. And asked for some. Took many months but every things calmed down. From what I have read many of these bacterias, viruses, protozoas ect we never ever get rid of them totally. But getting the immunei system to strengthen to fight them is the key. Helps put them in their place. About 3 years ago we had a small flood in my area. I drank water out of my tap. I got really bad pains in my stomache. Then we got a letter on the door about a week later. Don't drink the water. ha...Well the last couple of years. I go through a month or two of stomache pains. ....Giardia....Have heard of other people doing this also. So my system has that type of protozoa now that will flare up. One thing I have learned is everyone has to do their own research. The computer has been so handy for me to help figure my problems out. I have had great help from my current doctor to talk to him about things and if I think a medication possibly will work he has been more than helpful in helping me get it. Back to the nitro I feel this has been a key to help open up the vessels along with the serrapeptase cleaning them out. Still have some swellies towards the back of my soft spot but I can drive now and be around people and not have that parianoia feeling. I have noticed that my eyes are seeing better also. So this is just part of the twilight zone I have gone threw... Jodie
jodie

Hey Chris,

thanks for your comment - i am decieding about seeing a lyme doc in SF although expensive.    According to Dr. P's profile on his website I thought he was well versed with Lyme.-  Is this not the case?

I just found out about co infectionsi...   I was hoping to be able to work with Powell on all of this because he takes my insurance.. and the lymie docs are EXPENSIVE~    does Powell not test for co infections or treat lyme??  thanks

 

 

I like the idea of adding things slowly as i tend to be very sensitive to alot too..  easy does it!
Qkcam, he is open to doing any test you want to discuss with him. If you think you have a tick borne infection, by all means, ask for a blood test! Raven

Feeling 98% well-going for 100. Very low test for Cpni. CAPi since 8-05 for Cpn/Mycoplasma P.,Lyme, Bartonella, Mold exposure,NACi,BHRT, MethyB12 FIRi Sauna. 1-18-11 begin new treatment plan with naturopath

Qkcam, If you are positive for Lyme as you say you are, you should see an LLMD. Just go to lymenet and ask for one. Best, Chris
CAPi since 11/06 for Cpni, Lyme, Bartonella, Babesia, Myco P, CMV, HHV-6 infectionsi. Rifampin 600mg daily, Zithromax 500mg daily. NACi 2250mg daily. All other supplementsi. Now Bicillin LA 2.4 mil injection weekly.

thanks all  - I showed my test from Igenx to Michael and he showed Dr. P- they said they think the positive markers on the test are probably caused by some other type of infection- ?????? like what i should have asked..? that made me suspisious..and confused.   additionally something i am taking is causing increased liver enzymes- has anyone had this from the nitro?  i'm overwhelmed again with all this.   pooo pooo..

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