New Retro Virus and Chronic Fatique
I was listening to NPR on the car radio today and they had this story about a newly studied retrovirus and CFSi: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=chronic-fatigue-syndrome-retrovirus
An interesting read.
Raven
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Here is another article on the newvirus:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/09/health/research/09virus.html?_r=1
Doxyi 100mgx2, Azithromycin 250mg MWF, Probiotics: PB8, JarrowDophilus. CFSi since 2003. Last 5+ years lots of the usual research (Depression, Adrenal Fatigue, HPA, Mercury, Candida, Thyroid, etc.). iherb.com $5 coupon code: HAW103
And another from the CFSi site ProHealth:
http://www.prohealth.com/library/showarticle.cfm?libid=14915
JeanneRoz
JeanneRoz ~ DXi'd w/ CPNi 4/2007; 6/07 -"officially" dx'd w/CFIDSi/FM; also: HHV6, EBVi, IBSi-C, 100 Doxyi:BIDi; 500 mg Biaxin BIDi; Tindamax Pulses, B12 shots, ERFA Dessicated Thyroid,Cortef, Iodoral 25 mg, Vit D-6,000 uni
This is major news for those of us with ME/CFSi. I'm also thinking there's the possibility that it may be something to think of for many others treating for Cpni. The retrovirus allows other dormant viruses to reactivate. I'm wondering if it could also cause infectionsi such as Cpn, Lyme, and mycoplasma to become chronic and persistent.
I also read that this retrovirus has been found in people with autism, atypical multiple sclerosisi, and fibromyalgiai. This is something we should all keep our eyes on!
ME/CFSi since 1991. Cpni diagnosed 6/07. CAPi started 7/07. NACi 2400mg per day, doxycycline 100mg 2x per day, azithromyicin 250mg M-W-F. 8/09 switched from Flagyli to Tindamax 500mg 2x per day for 5-day pulse.
The difference between what we do and what we are capable of doing would suffice to solve most of the world’s problems. Mohandas Gandhi
I think we are doing the appopriate treatment. treat the infectionsi our immunei systems can not handle becuase of the immune system malfunction. take vitaminsi, stay healthy, try to live the best we can.
This is just another research paper/news release and nothing is in concrete yet.
Lets hope the avalance of research coming will come up with a cure real soon.
CPNi off the charts, EBVi, Chronic fatigue 20+ yrs, , tinittus, Orthostatic intolerance, adrenal fatigue, excitotoxicty, porphyriai, anxiety, depression, doxyi, AMOX, and FLAGYLi since JAN 2009,
Hi Mackintosh. The treatment is not yet determined. They are first going to try treating it similarly to HIV, which is also a retrovirus. Of course, none of us know yet whether we actually really have it or not. They are working on a test to be available in approximately six months. Since this retrovirus is also connected to prostatei cancer and has been determined to be infectious (although they don't know exactly how it's transmitted yet), the research is going to be on the fast track. We should be hearing more in the coming months.
If it turns out any of us have this retrovirus, we may still need to keep treating the Cpni now that it's taken over in our bodies. I'm certainly not thinking about stopping.
ME/CFSi since 1991. Cpni diagnosed 6/07. CAPi started 7/07. NACi 2400mg per day, doxycycline 100mg 2x per day, azithromyicin 250mg M-W-F. 8/09 switched from Flagyli to Tindamax 500mg 2x per day for 5-day pulse.
Could be, but it's a newly discovered retrovirus, not just a virus. The researchers admit they don't know whether having XMRV is the cause of people having prostatei cancer or ME/CFSi or whether having prostate cancer or ME/CFS allows a person to become infected with the retrovirus. It might be just another opportunistic invader, or it might be what caused our immunei systems to not allow us to clear the other infectionsi or keep them in check. Nobody knows these answers yet, but the further research should certainly be intriguing.
I agree that it's all a big question mark right now. It's just that this is something entirely new and could have implications for some of the other illnesses that have been on the increase in the past couple of decades. I can tell you that on ME/CFS forums, people are excited and frightened at the same time. There simply are not any further answers right now, but the POSSIBLE implications for our illness are mindblowing. If it turns out to be nothing once again, then that will be that, but I think we can allow people to feel a bit of excitement that ME/CFS is once again making news and that the government will now finally be interested in researching what may turn out to be very important to those of us who have it.
That's all.
ME/CFSi since 1991. Cpni diagnosed 6/07. CAPi started 7/07. NACi 2400mg per day, doxycycline 100mg 2x per day, azithromyicin 250mg M-W-F. 8/09 switched from Flagyli to Tindamax 500mg 2x per day for 5-day pulse.
Ron
On CAPi for CFSi starting 01/06 (NE Ohio, USA)
Began rifampin trial 1/14/09
Currently: on intermittent
ME/CFSi since 1991. Cpni diagnosed 6/07. CAPi started 7/07. NACi 2400mg per day, doxycycline 100mg 2x per day, azithromyicin 250mg M-W-F. 8/09 switched from Flagyli to Tindamax 500mg 2x per day for 5-day pulse.
As an antiviral,I have advice from my doctor that monolaurin may be effective.I have been using coconut oil but just sent away for some Lauricidin. Some people are using it for HIV so perhaps it is effective against retro virus.
I was doing very well with my Cpni treatment at the end of the first year when I caught EBVi. This knocked my immunei system down and pushed by my recovery back significantly. There are some researchers who call EBV Mild Immune Deficiency Syndrome or MAIDS.
It's just my opinion but I think the viral infectionsi are the ones that open the gate for Cpn to become so overwhelming as they affect the immune system so profoundly.
Raven
Feeling 98% well-going for 100. Very low test for Cpni. CAPi since 8-05 for Cpn/Mycoplasma P.,Lyme, Bartonella, Mold exposure,NACi,BHRT, MethyB12 FIRi Sauna. 1-18-11 begin new treatment plan with naturopath
Doxyi 100mgx2, Azithromycin 250mg MWF, Probiotics: PB8, JarrowDophilus. CFSi since 2003. Last 5+ years lots of the usual research (Depression, Adrenal Fatigue, HPA, Mercury, Candida, Thyroid, etc.). iherb.com $5 coupon code: HAW103
I think the XMRVS finding is huge. 97% of CFSi study patients tested positive for active XMRVS or antibodies.
http://www.wpinstitute.org/xmrv/index.html
It is possible that XMRVS impaires our immunei systems, with chronic Cpni, EBVi, HHV6, Mycoplasm, Lyme, etc. all opportunistic collateral infectionsi.
Annette Whittemore and Judy Mikovits speak about this groundbreaking work:
http://nevadanewsmakers.com/video/default.asp?showID=938
Interview starts at around 3mins 20s into the clip.
CFSi is a dumping ground, or wastebasket for many symptoms. I am in the camp of underwhelmed. This new finding, may or may not be significant in determining the "cause" of CFS. What comes first; an immunei system that goes haywire, paving the way for opportunistic infectionsi, viruses, bacteria, and many other illneses.....or a retrovirus that is all-encompassing of all of the symptoms under the umbrella of CFS? Remember the time when the experts thought Epstein-Barr was the culprit? It is like pealing an onion, and we have all become experts at diagnosing and healing ourselves. I wish it was as simple as finding a single retrovirus, and I am personally amused that these highly respected teaching hospitals and universities have come together to unveil these significant findings, and everyone has jumped on the bandwagon. I wonder what the real fathers of CFS, like Paul Cheney, David Bell and Daniel Petersen feel about this discovery?
Mycoplasma1 wrote:
"We are still looking at a plethora of pathogens here and no one knows which one opens Pandoras box. For some a tick bite, for others an airborne pathogen, etc..."
I couldn't agree more....
No, I'm sure that if XMRV does pan out and prove to be a cause or a strong underlying factor, a cure will probably not be in the works for quite some time, if ever. Perhaps a treatment sometime in the not too distant future, but even that will take time.
However, for the record, Dr. Cheney is so far on this bandwagon that he's making statements indicating he believes this is definitely going to be a causative factor, and Dr. Peterson is the Peterson part of the Whittemore Peterson Institute, who sponsored the research Dr. Mikovits published, so he is a huge part of the research. I haven't heard anything on Dr. Bell's behalf that I can remember.
ME/CFSi since 1991. Cpni diagnosed 6/07. CAPi started 7/07. NACi 2400mg per day, doxycycline 100mg 2x per day, azithromyicin 250mg M-W-F. 8/09 switched from Flagyli to Tindamax 500mg 2x per day for 5-day pulse.
I think it is both fantastic and terrible that a little organization funded by a CFSi patient's mother has found a possible link to CFS. It is great to have another possible piece to the puzzle, yet terrible there seems to be very little research going on for CFS.
I have put my donation in to the wpi institute that found this virus and hope others will too.
http://www.wpinstitute.org/help/help_donation.html
CPNi off the charts, EBVi, Chronic fatigue 20+ yrs, , tinittus, Orthostatic intolerance, adrenal fatigue, excitotoxicty, porphyriai, anxiety, depression, doxyi, AMOX, and FLAGYLi since JAN 2009,
"However, for the record, Dr. Cheney is so far on this bandwagon that he's making statements indicating he believes this is definitely going to be a causative factor, and Dr. Peterson is the Peterson part of the Whittemore Peterson Institute, who sponsored the research Dr. Mikovits published, so he is a huge part of the research. I haven't heard anything on Dr. Bell's behalf that I can remember."
Wow, that's amazing....maybe there's more to it than I thought! I guess we will all just have to see what comes of it.
>I wonder what the real fathers of CFSi, like Paul Cheney, David Bell and Daniel Petersen feel about this discovery?
Someone already mentioned Dr Cheney is on board with this and Dr Petersen is a key part of the institute that discovered this virus. And here is what Dr Bell has to say:
http://www.davidsbell.com/
"Now I am not going to be too optimistic - I think XMRV is going to turn out to be the "cause" of ME/CFS, and I think treatments will be available from every family physician in America who accepts Medicare. The question is whether this occurs next year or twenty years from now."
"The "Two Hit" Theory has been circulating for twenty years. One hit is an immunei altering silent hit, and the second is a herpes virus or some other agent. Actually herpes viruses can carry retroviruses along, so here is more work for the Whittemore-Peterson Institute to do."
Second XMRV Negative Study … Still In Search of a Proper and Robust Replication Study
Recent update on XMRV and CFIDSi study (from the CFIDS Association of America Website)
JeanneRoz ~ DXi'd w/ CPNi 4/2007; 6/07 -"officially" dx'd w/CFIDSi/FM; also: HHV6, EBVi, IBSi-C, 100 Doxyi:BIDi; 500 mg Biaxin BIDi; Tindamax Pulses, B12 shots, ERFA Dessicated Thyroid,Cortef, Iodoral 25 mg, Vit D-6,000 uni