New Retro Virus and Chronic Fatique

I was listening to NPR on the car radio today and they had this story about a newly studied retrovirus and CFSi: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=chronic-fatigue-syndrome-retrovirus

 

An interesting read.

Raven

Here is another article on the newvirus:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/09/health/research/09virus.html?_r=1

Doxyi 100mgx2, Azithromycin 250mg MWF, Probiotics: PB8, JarrowDophilus. CFSi since 2003. Last 5+ years lots of the usual research (Depression, Adrenal Fatigue, HPA, Mercury, Candida, Thyroid, etc.). iherb.com $5 coupon code: HAW103

And another from the CFSi site ProHealth:

http://www.prohealth.com/library/showarticle.cfm?libid=14915

JeanneRoz

JeanneRoz ~ DXi'd w/ CPNi 4/2007; 6/07 -"officially" dx'd w/CFIDSi/FM; also: HHV6, EBVi, IBSi-C, 100 Doxyi:BIDi; 500 mg Biaxin BIDi; Tindamax Pulses, B12 shots, ERFA Dessicated Thyroid,Cortef, Iodoral 25 mg, Vit D-6,000 uni

This is major news for those of us with ME/CFSi.  I'm also thinking there's the possibility that it may be something to think of for many others treating for Cpni.  The retrovirus allows other dormant viruses to reactivate.  I'm wondering if it could also cause infectionsi such as Cpn, Lyme, and mycoplasma to become chronic and persistent.

I also read that this retrovirus has been found in people with autism, atypical multiple sclerosisi, and fibromyalgiai.  This is something we should all keep our eyes on!

ME/CFSi since 1991. Cpni diagnosed 6/07. CAPi started 7/07. NACi 2400mg per day, doxycycline 100mg 2x per day, azithromyicin 250mg M-W-F. 8/09 switched from Flagyli to Tindamax 500mg 2x per day for 5-day pulse.

But, how is this retrovirus treated? None of the articles I've read mention appropriate treatment.

The difference between what we do and what we are capable of doing would suffice to solve most of the world’s problems. Mohandas Gandhi

 

 

I think we are doing the appopriate treatment. treat the infectionsi our immunei systems can not handle becuase of the immune system malfunction. take vitaminsi, stay healthy, try to live the best we can.

 

This is just another research paper/news release and nothing is in concrete yet.

 

 Lets hope the avalance of research coming will come up with a cure real soon.

CPNi off the charts, EBVi, Chronic fatigue 20+ yrs, , tinittus, Orthostatic intolerance, adrenal fatigue, excitotoxicty, porphyriai, anxiety, depression, doxyi, AMOX, and FLAGYLi since JAN 2009,  

Hi Mackintosh.  The treatment is not yet determined.  They are first going to try treating it similarly to HIV, which is also a retrovirus.  Of course, none of us know yet whether we actually really have it or not.  They are working on a test to be available in approximately six months.  Since this retrovirus is also connected to prostatei cancer and has been determined to be infectious (although they don't know exactly how it's transmitted yet), the research is going to be on the fast track.  We should be hearing more in the coming months.

If it turns out any of us have this retrovirus, we may still need to keep treating the Cpni now that it's taken over in our bodies.  I'm certainly not thinking about stopping.

ME/CFSi since 1991. Cpni diagnosed 6/07. CAPi started 7/07. NACi 2400mg per day, doxycycline 100mg 2x per day, azithromyicin 250mg M-W-F. 8/09 switched from Flagyli to Tindamax 500mg 2x per day for 5-day pulse.

Just another opportunistic virus. The real question is what pathogen is causes the immunei system to collapse and opens the door for all the others? Is it bacterial or viral? If it were viral then the antivirals should be working better, but most I know just relapse when they go off them. They are not saying this is the cause of CFSi. Just another virus in a soup of bacteria and viruses IMOP.
CAPi since 11/06 for Cpni, Lyme, Bartonella, Babesia, Myco P, CMV, HHV-6 infectionsi. Rifampin 600mg daily, Zithromax 500mg daily. NACi 2250mg daily. All other supplementsi. Now Bicillin LA 2.4 mil injection weekly.

Could be, but it's a newly discovered retrovirus, not just a virus.  The researchers admit they don't know whether having XMRV is the cause of people having prostatei cancer or ME/CFSi or whether having prostate cancer or ME/CFS allows a person to become infected with the retrovirus.  It might be just another opportunistic invader, or it might be what caused our immunei systems to not allow us to clear the other infectionsi or keep them in check.  Nobody knows these answers yet, but the further research should certainly be intriguing. 

I agree that it's all a big question mark right now.  It's just that this is something entirely new and could have implications for some of the other illnesses that have been on the increase in the past couple of decades.  I can tell you that on ME/CFS forums, people are excited and frightened at the same time.  There simply are not any further answers right now, but the POSSIBLE implications for our illness are mindblowing.  If it turns out to be nothing once again, then that will be that, but I think we can allow people to feel a bit of excitement that ME/CFS is once again making news and that the government will now finally be interested in researching what may turn out to be very important to those of us who have it. 

That's all.

ME/CFSi since 1991. Cpni diagnosed 6/07. CAPi started 7/07. NACi 2400mg per day, doxycycline 100mg 2x per day, azithromyicin 250mg M-W-F. 8/09 switched from Flagyli to Tindamax 500mg 2x per day for 5-day pulse.

The CDC has already started mounting the defense of CBT, graded exercise, and the 'empirical definition,' of course. They're pooh-poohing these results because "CFSi is such an ill-defined and diffuse disease." Sure, under their un-definition!

Ron

On CAPi for CFSi starting 01/06 (NE Ohio, USA)

Began rifampin trial 1/14/09

Currently: on intermittent

Can't even go there with the CDC. I did research on this for a film and let's just say there was more than a cover-up. Real research, not conspiracy gossip. I look forward to seeing where this goes. My bet is nowhere. I think the whole retrovirus idea is a red herring. Been there, definitely done that. They proposed this in the 80's and got nowhere with Elaine Defrietas. You really have to do the research and look into the HIV fiasco to know what I am speaking of. I think they will find that a bacterial co-factor is really what opens the pandora's box.
CAPi since 11/06 for Cpni, Lyme, Bartonella, Babesia, Myco P, CMV, HHV-6 infectionsi. Rifampin 600mg daily, Zithromax 500mg daily. NACi 2250mg daily. All other supplementsi. Now Bicillin LA 2.4 mil injection weekly.
Good point, Ron.  The CDC doesn't even consider CFSi to be a disease.  It's just a state of 'chronic unwellness.'  If their 'empirical definition' is allowed to stand, the results of any research will be watered down.  That's why our hopes still lie in the efforts to get rid of that definition.

ME/CFSi since 1991. Cpni diagnosed 6/07. CAPi started 7/07. NACi 2400mg per day, doxycycline 100mg 2x per day, azithromyicin 250mg M-W-F. 8/09 switched from Flagyli to Tindamax 500mg 2x per day for 5-day pulse.

As an antiviral,I have advice from my doctor that monolaurin may be effective.I have been using coconut oil but just sent away for some Lauricidin. Some people are using it for HIV so perhaps it is effective against retro virus.

I was doing very well with my Cpni treatment at the end of the first year when I caught EBVi. This knocked my immunei system down and pushed by my recovery back significantly. There are some researchers who call EBV Mild Immune Deficiency Syndrome or MAIDS.

It's just my opinion but I think the viral infectionsi are the ones that open the gate for Cpn to become so overwhelming as they affect the immune system so profoundly.

Raven

Feeling 98% well-going for 100. Very low test for Cpni. CAPi since 8-05 for Cpn/Mycoplasma P.,Lyme, Bartonella, Mold exposure,NACi,BHRT, MethyB12 FIRi Sauna. 1-18-11 begin new treatment plan with naturopath

Another news story: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/has-science-found-the-cause-of-me-1799944.html

Doxyi 100mgx2, Azithromycin 250mg MWF, Probiotics: PB8, JarrowDophilus. CFSi since 2003. Last 5+ years lots of the usual research (Depression, Adrenal Fatigue, HPA, Mercury, Candida, Thyroid, etc.). iherb.com $5 coupon code: HAW103

I think the XMRVS finding is huge.  97% of CFSi study patients tested positive for active XMRVS or antibodies.

http://www.wpinstitute.org/xmrv/index.html

It is possible that XMRVS  impaires our immunei systems, with  chronic Cpni, EBVi, HHV6, Mycoplasm, Lyme, etc. all opportunistic collateral infectionsi

 

 

Annette Whittemore and Judy Mikovits speak about this groundbreaking work:

http://nevadanewsmakers.com/video/default.asp?showID=938

Interview starts at around 3mins 20s into the clip.

Hunter: Don't think - experiment
I think you are wrong about that. There are many people in the wastebasket diagnosis of CFSi with different infectionsi. Take for example my case: I was diagnosed with CFS. But many years later I saw an LLMD who asked me the sequence of events before I became ill. I described numbness on the right side of my face (Bells Palsy), light sensitivity, heart irregularities, flu symptoms and night sweats. All clearly Lyme symptoms (I grew up on a farm in NY). Once I began treating I responded very dramatically to antibiotics and have recovered my life. If I had stuck with the CFS diagnosis I would be chasing a virus with no cure in sight. I am sure there are many out there who have a retrovirus, Cpni, Mycoplasma, etc etc....but to say this is all caused by a retrovirus is very premature. As I said before, Elaine Defrietas was telling everyone this in the 80's. Read Oslers Web. See UNDER OUR SKIN. A retrovirus means a life of antivirals with no cure. I have spoken with patients who have been using them for quite some time and they relapse just like many do when they go off the abxi. We are still looking at a plethora of pathogens here and no one knows which one opens Pandoras box. For some a tick bite, for others an airborne pathogen, etc...
CAPi since 11/06 for Cpni, Lyme, Bartonella, Babesia, Myco P, CMV, HHV-6 infectionsi. Rifampin 600mg daily, Zithromax 500mg daily. NACi 2250mg daily. All other supplementsi. Now Bicillin LA 2.4 mil injection weekly.

CFSi is a dumping ground, or wastebasket for many symptoms.  I am in the camp of underwhelmed.  This new finding, may or may not be significant in determining the "cause" of CFS.  What comes first; an immunei system that goes haywire, paving the way for opportunistic infectionsi, viruses, bacteria, and many other illneses.....or a retrovirus that is all-encompassing of all of the symptoms under the umbrella of CFS?  Remember the time when the experts thought Epstein-Barr was the culprit?  It is like pealing an onion, and we have all become experts at diagnosing and healing ourselves.  I wish it was as simple as finding a single retrovirus, and I am personally amused that these highly respected teaching hospitals and universities have come together to unveil these significant findings, and everyone has jumped on the bandwagon.  I wonder what the real fathers of CFS, like Paul Cheney, David Bell and Daniel Petersen feel about this discovery?

Mycoplasma1 wrote:

"We are still looking at a plethora of pathogens here and no one knows which one opens Pandoras box. For some a tick bite, for others an airborne pathogen, etc..." 

I couldn't agree more....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

CFSi (EBVi, HHV-6, CMV, Coxsackie), Reactive Arthritis; mycoplasma hominis, toxoplasmosis, lyme negative, babesia equivocal. Minocin, zithromax, tindamax, mepron, lariam, bromelain, probiotics, ALA, apple pectin, etc.  IV clindamycin `1200 mg. seven days/mo
I will be very interesting to watch what happens politically. Just claiming that CFSi is a retrovirus could cause quite a ripple through the world of science and the public at large. Just think of a group that encompasses Fibromyalgiai, CFS, MSi, ALS, etc...and labeling them positive under one retrovirus like HIV, that could really cause some panic. This is transferred by fluids, blood and may require a lifetime of antiviral treatment to keep it under control. Hopefully people will get better, but at worst there could be some very bad ramifications here. If you really do the reading what they are saying is a contagious form of Cancer (like HPV), which makes a hell of alot of sense. Unfortunately the cure is still not there.
CAPi since 11/06 for Cpni, Lyme, Bartonella, Babesia, Myco P, CMV, HHV-6 infectionsi. Rifampin 600mg daily, Zithromax 500mg daily. NACi 2250mg daily. All other supplementsi. Now Bicillin LA 2.4 mil injection weekly.

No, I'm sure that if XMRV does pan out and prove to be a cause or a strong underlying factor, a cure will probably not be in the works for quite some time, if ever.  Perhaps a treatment sometime in the not too distant future, but even that will take time.

However, for the record, Dr. Cheney is so far on this bandwagon that he's making statements indicating he believes this is definitely going to be a causative factor, and Dr. Peterson is the Peterson part of the Whittemore Peterson Institute, who sponsored the research Dr. Mikovits published, so he is a huge part of the research.  I haven't heard anything on Dr. Bell's behalf that I can remember.

ME/CFSi since 1991. Cpni diagnosed 6/07. CAPi started 7/07. NACi 2400mg per day, doxycycline 100mg 2x per day, azithromyicin 250mg M-W-F. 8/09 switched from Flagyli to Tindamax 500mg 2x per day for 5-day pulse.

I think it is both fantastic and terrible that a little organization funded by a CFSi patient's mother has found a possible link to CFS. It is great to have another possible piece to the puzzle, yet terrible there seems to be very little research going on for CFS.

 

I have put my donation in to the wpi institute that found this virus and hope others will too.

 

http://www.wpinstitute.org/help/help_donation.html

CPNi off the charts, EBVi, Chronic fatigue 20+ yrs, , tinittus, Orthostatic intolerance, adrenal fatigue, excitotoxicty, porphyriai, anxiety, depression, doxyi, AMOX, and FLAGYLi since JAN 2009,  

"However, for the record, Dr. Cheney is so far on this bandwagon that he's making statements indicating he believes this is definitely going to be a causative factor, and Dr. Peterson is the Peterson part of the Whittemore Peterson Institute, who sponsored the research Dr. Mikovits published, so he is a huge part of the research.  I haven't heard anything on Dr. Bell's behalf that I can remember."

Wow, that's amazing....maybe there's more to it than I thought!  I guess we will all just have to see what comes of it.

CFSi (EBVi, HHV-6, CMV, Coxsackie), Reactive Arthritis; mycoplasma hominis, toxoplasmosis, lyme negative, babesia equivocal. Minocin, zithromax, tindamax, mepron, lariam, bromelain, probiotics, ALA, apple pectin, etc.  IV clindamycin `1200 mg. seven days/mo

>I wonder what the real fathers of CFSi, like Paul Cheney, David Bell and Daniel Petersen feel about this discovery?

Someone already mentioned Dr Cheney is on board with this and Dr Petersen is a key part of the institute that discovered this virus. And here is what Dr Bell has to say:

http://www.davidsbell.com/

"Now I am not going to be too optimistic - I think XMRV is going to turn out to be the "cause" of ME/CFS, and I think treatments will be available from every family physician in America who accepts Medicare. The question is whether this occurs next year or twenty years from now."

"The "Two Hit" Theory has been circulating for twenty years. One hit is an immunei altering silent hit, and the second is a herpes virus or some other agent. Actually herpes viruses can carry retroviruses along, so here is more work for the Whittemore-Peterson Institute to do."

 

Hunter: Don't think - experiment

Second XMRV Negative Study … Still In Search of a Proper and Robust Replication Study

Recent update on XMRV and CFIDSi study (from the CFIDS Association of America Website)

JeanneRoz ~ DXi'd w/ CPNi 4/2007; 6/07 -"officially" dx'd w/CFIDSi/FM; also: HHV6, EBVi, IBSi-C, 100 Doxyi:BIDi; 500 mg Biaxin BIDi; Tindamax Pulses, B12 shots, ERFA Dessicated Thyroid,Cortef, Iodoral 25 mg, Vit D-6,000 uni

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