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27 Apr 2018
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garcia
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"New"/ Pyruvate Protocol

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Those of you investigating the addition of pyruvate into your protocol will find the following links helpful:1. http://www.cpnhelp.org/calcium_pyruvate_discussiFeb '08 - this is pretty much the first major thread on pyruvate and talks about where to buy it (amongst other things). Watch out for Paul's post about 12 posts down (he originated the protocol along with Dr Stratton). 2.

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Garcia, thank you so much for this!  It is so incredibly helpful when the more 'clear-headed' among us break down (for the rest of us) sometimes very confusing topics or information - into something so easy to read and understand as this - your explanation of pyruvate.

Kelly

Diagnosed FMS Feb '07.  2x/day: 600 mg NAC, 100 mg Doxy, 500 mg Amoxicillin, 2000 iu Vit. D.  450 mg Valcyte.  250 mg Azi M/W/F.  500 mg 375 mg Flagyl pulses every 3-4 weeks.  Started CAP June '07. 

0. http://www.cpnhelp.org/emerging_stratton_protoco

I forgot to add the above link from the handbook. Its an excellent 1-page summary on Pyruvate from Jim / Dr Stratton. You should probably read it first, which is why I numbered it zero. 

Back to user experiences, in a follow up Post (July '08) Jim says "I'm currently not using the pyruvate as it seemed I was getting diminishing returns from it".

Via pm (Nov '08) he added: "I actually began to feel worse using it constantly, so stopped. I haven't gone back to it except a week here or there."

Hunter: Don't think - experiment

Garcia, can you tell us what your experience of this addition to the protocol has been?

Does it make a difference to your wellbeing/energy levels?

Michèle (UK) GFA: Wheldon CAP 1st May 2006. Daily Doxy, Azi MWF, metro pulse.

Michele, I started using it constently early August 08 and take it most afternoons at a 3.75Gm level well after my a.m. abx and before my p.m. abx and find that it in combination with Sam-e 100mg with added B-complex vits has done amazing support.  I am just finishing cleaning out an old house where I was more of a saver than a thrower away for 30 years.  Lots of physical work that I was at a standstill with this past July.   I order my pyruvate and Sam-e from a source that Jim shared wholehealth.com.

Best Regards,  Louise

  • CAP(TiniOnly): 06/07-02/09 for CFS
  • MethylationProtocolSupplements: Started08/08
  • Intermtnt CAP: 02/09-02/10
  • Full MethylProtocol & LDN 02/09
  • Off CAP: 02/10, cont LDN & MethlyProtocol support

thanks for this thread garcia, I have book marked it.

I did a small stint of pyruvate last winter when it first came up & decided to put it on a back burner until "more info" came out.  I already take more supplements than what is on our list so I am not sure if I should add this too.

peace

r

 

CFIDS/ME, FMS, MCS, IBS, EBV, CMV, Cpn, H1, chronic insomnia, Chronic Lyme, HME, Babesia, Natural HRT-menopause, NAC 2.4 gm,Full CAP 6-2-07, all supplements+Iodorol, Inositol-depression, ultra Chitosan, L lysine Pulse#27 04-19-10 1gm Flagyl/day-5 days<

The reminder to read Paul's comments is good.  Thank you.

Just to catch up, Dr. Sriram increased Kim's pre-Azith Pyruvate from 1.5g to 3g last July.  Meaning, Kim only takes it 3 times a week about 30 minutes before her Azith.  Ken

In pursuit of ABXDon't Allow What You Know To Get In The Way Of What Might Be

Just wanted to make a note now in March 2009 I have been able to discontinue my daily 3.75mg Pyruvate that I was supplementing as an energy metabolism support for the past 6 months with the innitiation of LDN(low dose naltrexone) 4.5mg/day.  Louise

  • CAP(TiniOnly): 06/07-02/09 for CFS
  • MethylationProtocolSupplements: Started08/08
  • Intermtnt CAP: 02/09-02/10
  • Full MethylProtocol & LDN 02/09
  • Off CAP: 02/10, cont LDN & MethlyProtocol support

Yeah, I'm very skeptical of caffeine being a good substitute for pyruvate.  I'm on somewhere in the neighborhood of 1400mg a day.  Those little yellow pills are the only thing keeping me going during the course of the day.  Hasn't made much difference that I can tell in die off.

best, JohnRRMS/EDSS was 4.5, 5, 6, 6.5, 6.9999, 6.5 on Wheldon/Stratton Protocol beginning 04/12/2006nac 4x600 mg/daydoxycycline 2x100mg/dayazithromycin 3x250mg/day MWFmetronidazole 3x400mg/day then 3x500mg/day

If it were a good substitute for pyruvate, it wouldn't necessarily cause noticeable die-off with every caffeine pill you took; it might only cause that with the pills that you took near in time to the rifampin. The other pills might just give the usual boost of energy to you (and your Cpn infection), which you'd pay for in lack of long-term progress.

This is just a hypothetical situation; it would require the other, long-lasting antibiotics you're on to not be enough to kill Cpn awakened by caffeine. (They still would be slowing it down, just not killing it.) But you have been complaining of a lack of long-term progress, and also of an unusual daily cycle of lacking energy at certain points of the day. If your times of energy decrease follow the times when you take caffeine at around the same time as rifampin, a change of tactics may be in order.

John, have you ever looked into 5-HTP and P5P as a possible energy augment?  I take the 5 HTP 100 mg twice a day and the P5P once a day, per MD suggestion and it has been very helpful with energy for me.  All that caffeine may be very draining on your adrenals.  Louise

  • CAP(TiniOnly): 06/07-02/09 for CFS
  • MethylationProtocolSupplements: Started08/08
  • Intermtnt CAP: 02/09-02/10
  • Full MethylProtocol & LDN 02/09
  • Off CAP: 02/10, cont LDN & MethlyProtocol support

Nov '09 - Big follow up thread from Paul on the Caffeine protocol which has pretty much replaced the pyruvate protocol:

http://www.cpnhelp.org/experimental_therapy

Hunter: Don't think - experiment