I remember reading somewhere on one of the boards on this site a question posed by a memeber who asked if just taking the NAC without the antibiotics could do the job. The member's thinking was that if we burst the EB'si before they infect another cell we will win a war of attrition against CPni. As our body's cells naturally die, they expell the CPn into the bloodstream, whereupon the NAC kills them. The counterargument is that some cells live a very long time, or last our entire lives, i.e. nerves cells, cardiac muscle cells, etc. For this reason, we must use the abxi in order to kill the CPn hiding out in these cells.
So here is my counter to the counterargument: what if the CPn is in a long-lived cell that we don't want to die with the CPn? In my case, the diagnosis is occular sarcoidosis. I have also tested positive for CPn. The damage to my retina in my right has been extensive due to inflammationi. Being composed of highly specialized nerve cells, the retina will not repair itself; these cells do not reproduce.
I have been taking NAC and other supplementsi with noticable improvement overall (but not to my vision, of course, although I can wish!). I am still trying to convice my doctor about the abxi as he says everyone tests positive for CPn so its not a big deal.
But... If I were to begin taking the abx, I could further damage my vision as retinal cells die along with the CPn. Why not skip the abx, destory the CPn elsewhere in my body over time with the NAC and allow the CPn to remain dormant in my retinal cells. In the trade off between killing 100% of the CPn or protecting my vision, I would have to side with my vision.
By denying the CPn both its ability to travel with the NAC and its affinity for inflammation with anti-inflammatories, I could take out 95% of it and lock up the the remaining 5%.
Thoughts?
Thanks.
JGK
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Sarcoidosis 12/2007; NACi 2400mg; Quercetin 1200mg; Vit C 1000mg; Flaxseed Oil 2000mg; DHEAii 25mg; Zinc 100mg; Acetyl-L-Carnitine 500mg; Prednisone 3.33mg; no antibioticsi; Vit D contraindicated in granuloma diseasesii
KaimerMy eye history has
Kaimer
My eye history has been extremely dramatic for almost twenty-five years. It began with iritis in one eye, and the other seven or eight years later. I was on a pressure reducer daily for years. One time my pressure in the right got up to forty-seven (normal is about 14 to 19). Some years ago I started seeing double and now have eighteen prisms in my glasses. About fifteen months ago, since my pressure had been stable for a couple of years, my ophthalmologist said "stop the Timoptic" (pressure reducer). I did. My pressure has stabilizerd and the iritis is completely gone. She has NEVER had this happen. I have had steroid-induced cataracts removed from both eyes with replacements - but I am not blind. It is undoubtedly the abxi that saved my vision and returned so many, many other facets of my life.
My own feelings about the NACi, which I take every day, are that it alone will not do the job.
Rica
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3/9 Symptoms returning. Began 5 abxi protocol 5/9 Rifampin 600, Amoxicillini 1000, Doxyi 200, MWF Azith 250, flagyli 1000. Caffeine pills with AM abxi Began Sept 04 PPMSi EDSSi 6.7 Now good days EDSS 1
I guess the question is,
I guess the question is, once CPNi has colonized a cell, does it still function properly anyway? CPN inhibits apoptosisi, which means you have a lot of cells that won't naturally die off, because the CPN needs them to barely stay alive so it can use and abuse them indefinitely.
If the cell isn't functional, but won't die without abxi, eliminating it won't have any effect on your vision. But die-off does create some inflammationi, so you would have to be ready to counteract inflammation at the same time, to avoid damage.
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The difference between what we do and what we are capable of doing would suffice to solve most of the world’s problems. Mohandas Gandhi
Didn't consider apoptosisi
Didn't consider apoptosisi inhibition. As for the inflammationi, I take NACi, serratopeptase, flaxseed oil, quercetin and vitamin C, daily. I am also on 5mg prednisone daily on ophthamalogist's orders. I also frequently use ibuprofen, although not daily at this point. Hopefully I can get to the abxi sooner rather than later. Convincing my doctor is the hard part; he doesn't see CPni as a big deal or related to my sarcoid.
Back to apoptosis... everything dies, including a cell than has been hindered by CPn. Is there any research on how long CPn can delay apoptosis?
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Sarcoidosis 12/2007; NACi 2400mg; Quercetin 1200mg; Vit C 1000mg; Flaxseed Oil 2000mg; DHEAi 25mg; Zinc 100mg; Acetyl-L-Carnitine 500mg; Prednisone 3.33mg; no antibioticsi; Vit D contraindicated in granuloma diseasesi