MediTest
27 Apr 2018
Author
hsnana
Title

"Moppers" - caffeine pills?

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OK, I understand the idea of "moppers", but what's suggested for which symptoms? And what are caffeine pills for? My primary symptoms are fatigue, pain, and brain fog.  

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Linda             As I understand it, caffeine pills allow your cells to release calcium stored within them, thereby facilitating the absorbtion of the antibiotics.  I don't have the medical facts on this; however, I did speak with Dr. Stratton about it by phone and that's the way it was explained to me.  I know first hand that it does work.  I was taking caffeine for 3-1/2 months with antibiotics and it does pack a wallup when you do that, so be prepared. 

best, JohnRRMS/EDSS was 4.5, 5, 6, 6.5, 6.9999, 6.5 on Wheldon/Stratton Protocol beginning 04/12/2006nac 4x600 mg/daydoxycycline 2x100mg/dayazithromycin 3x250mg/day MWFmetronidazole 3x400mg/day then 3x500mg/day

Quote " it does pack a wallup when you do that"... What does that mean ? What shoul I do ? I don't drink neither alcohol, coffee, tea or any other beverage. And, I don't like the idea of Caffeine-pills..  

Eirik 2x100mg Doxy every day, 250mg Azith 3 days/week, 2000mg NAC daily, Vitamins B, C, D, and Multivitamins/minerals, Q10, Omega 6/9 and probiotic supplements.

How about, once you've gotten the normal protocol under your belt, find out how you react to it, manage your reactions to it, THEN consider caffeine. Far, far down the road?I'm going to go on record saying I believe you should not be taking caffeine pills this early in the game.

The difference between what we do and what we are capable of doing would suffice to solve most of the world’s problems. Mohandas Gandhi

I agree, stick with the basic protocol!   JeanneRoz  

JeanneRoz ~ DX'd w/ CPN 4/2007; 6/07 -"officially" dx'd w/CFIDS/FM; also: HHV6, EBV, IBS-C, 100 Doxy:BID; 500 mg Biaxin BID; Tindamax Pulses, B12 shots, ERFA Dessicated Thyroid,Cortef, Iodoral 25 mg, Vit D-6,000 uni

Packs a wallop means adding caffeine pills to the protocol is probably what severely restricted FarandWide's ability to walk. Please don't use caffeine pills until you have a better understanding of the protocol and of how your body reacts to the basic protocol. Plenty of us got well without ever adding caffeine pills to the regimen.

The difference between what we do and what we are capable of doing would suffice to solve most of the world’s problems. Mohandas Gandhi

I agree, I would hold off on any additions to the protocol until you've been on it for a while and know your body's reaction to things.

best, JohnRRMS/EDSS was 4.5, 5, 6, 6.5, 6.9999, 6.5 on Wheldon/Stratton Protocol beginning 04/12/2006nac 4x600 mg/daydoxycycline 2x100mg/dayazithromycin 3x250mg/day MWFmetronidazole 3x400mg/day then 3x500mg/day

John, did Dr Stratton tell you anyting about when to take caffeine, same time with abx or before or after abx? I would be interested in that because timing must be importent in order to have best result in killing cpn. Best wishes to you and all here! Wish all a healty future, Maria

Cpn since sep 2006. Autoimmune thyroid,hypofunction.levaxin,b12+folic acid.All classic cpn,porphyria and toxinsymtoms.Not able to work.Selftreating cpninfection with AllicinMax(garlic), NAC, high vitamin D3. CAP for over 3 years. Back to work and life

No Maria, we didn't go down that line of questioning. When I took it, I was using a caffeine pill which I would take along with the antibiotics, together. Rica has done it with coffee that she drinks about 15 minutes before taking antibiotics and she gets walluped that way also.  My thinking is that taking the caffeine or drinking coffee with or a short time before antibiotics will serve the purpose.

best, JohnRRMS/EDSS was 4.5, 5, 6, 6.5, 6.9999, 6.5 on Wheldon/Stratton Protocol beginning 04/12/2006nac 4x600 mg/daydoxycycline 2x100mg/dayazithromycin 3x250mg/day MWFmetronidazole 3x400mg/day then 3x500mg/day

Thanks a lot John, I thought that most here took it with abx or 15-30 min after abx.Best Wishes, Maria 

Cpn since sep 2006. Autoimmune thyroid,hypofunction.levaxin,b12+folic acid.All classic cpn,porphyria and toxinsymtoms.Not able to work.Selftreating cpninfection with AllicinMax(garlic), NAC, high vitamin D3. CAP for over 3 years. Back to work and life

Maria               I don't think that most here are using caffeine with the CAP.  It was only recently that it became known as an adjunct to the Stratton protocol.  It's not necessary and I didn't do it for the first 3-1/2 years that I followed the protocol.  I wouldn't do it if you're having any trouble with it.

best, JohnRRMS/EDSS was 4.5, 5, 6, 6.5, 6.9999, 6.5 on Wheldon/Stratton Protocol beginning 04/12/2006nac 4x600 mg/daydoxycycline 2x100mg/dayazithromycin 3x250mg/day MWFmetronidazole 3x400mg/day then 3x500mg/day

Thanks John, yes you are right most here dont use caffeine. What I meant was that the ones that use it take it with abx or after abx not before abx. It would be interesting to know the best way to take it,(before, with or after abx). Best Wishes, Maria

Cpn since sep 2006. Autoimmune thyroid,hypofunction.levaxin,b12+folic acid.All classic cpn,porphyria and toxinsymtoms.Not able to work.Selftreating cpninfection with AllicinMax(garlic), NAC, high vitamin D3. CAP for over 3 years. Back to work and life

No, it means you should not seek out No-Doz, or whatever form caffeine pills come in these days. A cup of coffee has nowhere near the amount of caffeine the concentrated pills have.

The difference between what we do and what we are capable of doing would suffice to solve most of the world’s problems. Mohandas Gandhi

           Thanks Mac for clarifying the coffee thing. I almost always have my one cup of coffee/day in the morning with antis. and NAC two hours following rifampin. Supplements are with lunch, generally.Yesterday I took a day off everything but today I'm back on.Does anyone ever take days off everything and interested in what DW would say about it? I think I'll write Sarah and ask, so if Sarah sees this first please, please, please respond OR anyone else with know-how????Thanks    thanks

diagnosed MS Jan.2000 ,  chronic neurological lyme disease Nov.2002.doxy 100 mg. 1BID. roxy.150 mg.? BID,adding rifampin soon, pulsed tini. every 3 weeks, as of oct.17/08, rifampin,naltrexone (LDN),NAC, nystatin, major wheldon supplemrnts daily,

I've taken days off supplements (could not deal with swallowing 23 pills a few times over the years), but you HAVE to keep a constant level of antibiotics in your body all the time. I don't like the idea of antibiotic 'holidays'.

The difference between what we do and what we are capable of doing would suffice to solve most of the world’s problems. Mohandas Gandhi

Ok, two questions were answered so far. Caffeine is not a mopper and having a cup of coffee in the morning is not the same thing as taking caffeine pills. Good so far. I guess the next thing I need spelled out for me is this - are there moppers that help with fatigue and brain fog?BTW, thanks for the discussion so far - I'm learning a lot. 

Linda in TN, Homeschool Nana to Kirstin and Madison, with fibro, CFS, depression, anxiety, IBS, and generally crazy. Just starting Stratton protocol 4/2010  

B12 is not a mopper, but it will help with brain fog and low energy. If you push antioxidants (I used CoQ10 like it was candy, at the beginning of the protocl), that will help clear your body of toxins, which will help reduce the brain fog and muscle fatigue. Vitamin C, CoQ10, alphao lipoic acid, acteyl L carnitine come to mind.

The difference between what we do and what we are capable of doing would suffice to solve most of the world’s problems. Mohandas Gandhi

MariaIf you take caffeine, take it 15 to 30 minutes AFTER abx. You need to take advantage of the high-impact time right after taking abx, otherwise you may be lettinmg the bugs loose to "play" and reproduce without knocking them down. I took caffeine for months, then both caffeine and flagyl. Rica

3/9 Symptoms returning. Began 5 abx protocol 5/9 Rifampin 600, Amox 1000, Doxy 200, MWF Azith 250, flagyl 1000 daily. Began Sept 04 PPMS EDSS 6.7 Now good days EDSS 1 Mind, like parachute, work only when open. Charlie Chan  In for the duration.&am

Thnks,SmileBest Wishes to you, M

Cpn since sep 2006. Autoimmune thyroid,hypofunction.levaxin,b12+folic acid.All classic cpn,porphyria and toxinsymtoms.Not able to work.Selftreating cpninfection with AllicinMax(garlic), NAC, high vitamin D3. CAP for over 3 years. Back to work and life