27 Apr 2018
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nspiker
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Do tetracycline drugs inhibit the efficacy of penicillin?

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I am new to cpn, but I know that you are very educated on co-infection treatment protocols.  I am not sure if I have cpn, but I do have reactive arthritis that is suseptible to a penicillin drug (Ceftin, Amoxicillin). My question is this:Does tetracycline lessen the effects of a penicillin drug?  I was e-mailing Dr.

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Welcome nspiker

Reactive arthritis is not my diagnosis, but probably only because MS got there first.  I am not a doctor, but my feeling is that there is an umbrella developing that will encompass many, many diseases, beginning with those listed on our homepage.    It doesn't matter if what you are asking is true - the protocols here work on the base cause. 

What we are dealing with is not yet taught in medical school, and probably won't be till we can't benefit, simply because we are, or will be, too old, too decrepit, too crippled - choose your words.  I, among many here, chose not to wait.  Many of us had nothing to lose.  I tend to rant, but I absolutely believe what I have said.

Rica

 

3/9 Symptoms returning. Began 5 abx protocol 5/9 Rifampin 600, Amox 1000, Doxy 200, MWF Azith 250, flagyl 1000 daily. Began Sept 04 PPMS EDSS 6.7 Now good days EDSS 1 Mind, like parachute, work only when open. Charlie Chan  In for the duration.&am

My health has been turned completely around for the better.   I second all that Rica has to offer in her post.   Louise

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Thank you Rica and Louise.  I too believe that many illnesses fall under a certain "umbrella", whose root cause is unknown or undiagnosed.  I am excited and encouraged to find that "infection" can be the underlying cause of so many hideous illness.  I am so happy that the treatment is working for you...

I realized that antibiotics, or an infection was the cause, when I had dramatic improvememts when taking Amoxicillin for an unrelated e-coli infection.  

Are there times that you take a tetracycline and a penicillin drug together, or would it be better to switch to a tetracycline and cypro, or rifampin?  I know I have a mycoplasma infection that "should" require a tetracycline.  That said, mycoplasma hominis can be resistant and may require a quinolone-type drug.  Then I have this e-coli issue, or some bacteria that responds to penicillin; maybe cpn, maybe something else.  Either way, I have a multiple-bacterial issue, like cpn, that requires muctiple antibiotics.  

Given my situation, would you go off the tetracycline right now, and see if the penicillin drug cures the RA, (leaving mycoplasma infection untouched), or is there another treatment protocol where the antibiotis are more  harmonious and can provide the same effect without counteracting one another?

The reason I am even considering this possibility of going off tetracycline, is when I was taking Amoxicillin for three weeks, befor beginning the current regement, the RA virtually went away.  As soon as I stopped the Amoxicillin, it returned.  Then, after three weeks on Amox, tested positive for UTI (e-coli again). 

Any thoughts about my specific dilema?  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

CFS (EBV, HHV-6, CMV, Coxsackie), Reactive Arthritis; mycoplasma hominis, toxoplasmosis, lyme negative, babesia equivocal. Minocin, zithromax, tindamax, mepron, lariam, bromelain, probiotics, ALA, apple pectin, etc.  IV clindamycin `1200 mg. seven days/mo

NSpiker, Have you read all the information that is available under the tabs at the top of each webpage?  The Getting Started holds a lot and then there is advanced information under CPn handbook.  You clearly are able to ingest this type of info I take a look there and your questions may well be answered.  Nothing substitutes for self education IHMO.  

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  • Intermtnt CAP: 02/09-02/10
  • Full MethylProtocol & LDN 02/09
  • Off CAP: 02/10, cont LDN & MethlyProtocol support

Currently I am on FIVE abx, the two you mention and three others. 

The first thing anyone here should do is read - the Getting Started, the Patient Stories, the blogs, and the supplements list.  Take the supplements, and get your Vit D3 level up - so important.  I would continue with everything (all abx) you are on.  This incredibly sneaky, stealthy bug will fall into any hole that you open for it.

Rica

3/9 Symptoms returning. Began 5 abx protocol 5/9 Rifampin 600, Amox 1000, Doxy 200, MWF Azith 250, flagyl 1000 daily. Began Sept 04 PPMS EDSS 6.7 Now good days EDSS 1 Mind, like parachute, work only when open. Charlie Chan  In for the duration.&am

Thanks again.....

I have read the tabs you've mentioned numerous times, but it is all so much to take in.  I can't believe the level of understanding you all have when it comes to your treatment and diagnosis.  It baffles me!  I will read and rearead to gleen whatever information I can out of this website.

I am taking Vitamin D,  softgel 50,000IU/once a week, prescribed by my doctor.  I asked on another post if this was an acceptable protocol for Vit D3, and still am not quite sure.  I am pretty sure I can feel the difference when taking the Vit D. 

CFS (EBV, HHV-6, CMV, Coxsackie), Reactive Arthritis; mycoplasma hominis, toxoplasmosis, lyme negative, babesia equivocal. Minocin, zithromax, tindamax, mepron, lariam, bromelain, probiotics, ALA, apple pectin, etc.  IV clindamycin `1200 mg. seven days/mo

Doxy and Mino are newer that basic tetracycline and are not affected as much in the same way as the original tetracycline, they may not be as much of an issue.   And penicillin is a different drug again from amoxicillin as well and much much newer.  Just food for thought.

  • CAP(TiniOnly): 06/07-02/09 for CFS
  • MethylationProtocolSupplements: Started08/08
  • Intermtnt CAP: 02/09-02/10
  • Full MethylProtocol & LDN 02/09
  • Off CAP: 02/10, cont LDN & MethlyProtocol support

You could call your doctor's office and ask what vit D form you have, or you can call the pharmacy if it is not listed on the bottle.

We so well understand about reading and rereading.  Not only is there a staggering amount of information on this site, most of us, especially at the beginning, can barely comprehend the everyday details of life, much less the information that is seemingly casually laid out.

What it came down to, for me, was take my pills.  It was my full-time job - now I can do it and the rest of my jobs.  

Rica 

3/9 Symptoms returning. Began 5 abx protocol 5/9 Rifampin 600, Amox 1000, Doxy 200, MWF Azith 250, flagyl 1000 daily. Began Sept 04 PPMS EDSS 6.7 Now good days EDSS 1 Mind, like parachute, work only when open. Charlie Chan  In for the duration.&am

Hmmm! reactive arthritis huh. Remember Reactive Arthrist, Fibro, and CFS are wastebasket diagnosis. CPN is the real underlining cause and other virusis and bacteria and that contribute to the cpn. Dr. Shratton and Wheldon actually precribed amoxcillin with the protocol before they discovered NAC. I think youll be alright on penicillin with doxy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wastebasket_diagnosis

Fibro, CFS,  Myco, CPN, Stratton protocol, Zithro 500mg M/W/F/S, Doxy 100mg 2x day, NAC 1200mg 2x day, Flagyl and INH 2 week pulses 400 mg 3x day, Rifampin, 300mg 2x day,  Still cant shake it but improving.

Reactive arthritis is actually Infectious arthritis. Doctors dont like to use the word infectious becuase it means the doctors actually have to get there hands dirty. I dont mean to come down on doctors so much. The insurance companies are the actuall bad guys but I think some docs have no spine and need to stand up to the insurance companies and do whats ethical.

Fibro, CFS,  Myco, CPN, Stratton protocol, Zithro 500mg M/W/F/S, Doxy 100mg 2x day, NAC 1200mg 2x day, Flagyl and INH 2 week pulses 400 mg 3x day, Rifampin, 300mg 2x day,  Still cant shake it but improving.

Reactive Arthritis is supposedly started by an infection....the joke is, they don't treat the infection, they don't believe that is the cause.  They treat the arthritis. 

Let me see, would an insurance company make more from long-term arthritis drugs (which are really chemotherapy drugs), or an infection?

Lee, if you haven't already, you need to read more about Dr. Nicolson's research, which I mentioned in this post.  He is one of the big researchers on mycoplasma, as it relates to gulf war syndrome, cfs, autism, and many more illnesses.  He believes that the drug companies are hiding the fact that mycoplasma is in vaccines, but it's too expensive for them to fix the problem, so kids get sick with autism.  You can also read about his book, Project Day Lily, which is his story of when he was head cancer scientist at MD Anderson, and how he discovered their involvment, as well as the government's involvment with mycoplasma as a bioterrorist agent.

It is no wonder there are so many wastebasket diagnoses.

CFS (EBV, HHV-6, CMV, Coxsackie), Reactive Arthritis; mycoplasma hominis, toxoplasmosis, lyme negative, babesia equivocal. Minocin, zithromax, tindamax, mepron, lariam, bromelain, probiotics, ALA, apple pectin, etc.  IV clindamycin `1200 mg. seven days/mo

I did some reading and penicillin and doxy do interact. Dont know how much.

Fibro, CFS,  Myco, CPN, Stratton protocol, Zithro 500mg M/W/F/S, Doxy 100mg 2x day, NAC 1200mg 2x day, Flagyl and INH 2 week pulses 400 mg 3x day, Rifampin, 300mg 2x day,  Still cant shake it but improving.

They do interract.  I stopped taking minocycline, and will probably switch to Cypro or one of the other fluoroquinolone drugs like tobramycin or levoquin.  The doctor's already given me a prescription for Cipro, so it may be easiest to just switch to that. 

If anyone is interested in the interaction between penicillins like Ceftin or Amoxicillin with tetracyclines like Doxycycline and Minocycline , here's something I found that's easy to understand www.madsci.org/posts/archives/1998-10/907605976.Mi.r.html.

CFS (EBV, HHV-6, CMV, Coxsackie), Reactive Arthritis; mycoplasma hominis, toxoplasmosis, lyme negative, babesia equivocal. Minocin, zithromax, tindamax, mepron, lariam, bromelain, probiotics, ALA, apple pectin, etc.  IV clindamycin `1200 mg. seven days/mo

Nice article. kinda old though (1998) but its to the point. I think thats why the Docs on this website prescribe Flaygyl becuase it works differntly from Pennicilins. It attacks the cryptic form of cpn and not the cell wall as stated in your article. I also dont recommend taking NAC the same time as the abx. 2 hours or more after is your best bet.

Fibro, CFS,  Myco, CPN, Stratton protocol, Zithro 500mg M/W/F/S, Doxy 100mg 2x day, NAC 1200mg 2x day, Flagyl and INH 2 week pulses 400 mg 3x day, Rifampin, 300mg 2x day,  Still cant shake it but improving.

The protocols prescribed on this website are a perfect brew of abx becuase the doctors know what there doing. even though stacking another abx on top of the protocol sounds good they can interfere with each other and maybe diminish the others effects. . so for example if doxy is working great for you. a pennicilin can acually make you worse if it deminished its ability.

Fibro, CFS,  Myco, CPN, Stratton protocol, Zithro 500mg M/W/F/S, Doxy 100mg 2x day, NAC 1200mg 2x day, Flagyl and INH 2 week pulses 400 mg 3x day, Rifampin, 300mg 2x day,  Still cant shake it but improving.