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Leaky Gut Wiki:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intestinal_permeabilityI recall reading somewhere on this forum, and perhaps somewhere else too, that cpn itself can infect the stomach / gut, and could perhaps be a cause of "leaky gut" as it likes to live in tissue like the stomach.  I don't know if there is such a thing as a "leaky" gut, but it seems possible that cpn could be one potential cause of it.In celiacs' disease, gluten causes destruction of the villi, and one of the tests for celiacs is a stomach biopsy.I know I react to gluten, reliably and repeatedly, as does Rick.  Could it be a "leaky gut" that allows the gluten to get into our bloodstreams and cause some sort of autoimmune reaction, or does it get in everyone's bloodstream, but some don't react? If the answer is the first, e.g. somehow Rick & I have a "leaky gut" that let's gluten in where it doesn't get let in for others, that would seem to support the idea of a leaky gut.  Gluten could cause a leaky gut given it damages the villi...Best & Highest Regards,Tom C 

I copy a link to a webpage below... it's another talk show so this could be another one of those doctors "Spouting off" but he seems to be a respected doctor to some anyhow..Its Dr. Alessio Fasano.. He founded the University of Maryland Center for Celiac Research.. Now this interview mainly talks about celiac disease but goes into "leaky gut" and what he discovered about this! I am not for a minute saying that the soul cause to M.S and other autoimmunity diseases are from a leaky gut but it is one factor that could be marked by the progression of these diseases and how bad you develop! I believe that coupled with this "leaky gut" CPn / Lymes / Herpes etc play a more important role in the development of these autoimmune diseases but I feel when our bodies become like the "Perfect Storm" when all elements are present then we get sick!I believe a leakly gut also plays a part in starving our bodies of minerals and vitamins required to help us recover and this aids the pathogens present to multiply and invide our cells. link to website:http://chriskresser.com/pioneering-researcher-alessio-fasano-m-d-on-glu… 

Hi ....Researchers at Lund University in Sweden published a study into this "leaky Gut" issue and Dr. Terri Wahls also seems to support their findings!link to website below.... http://www.healthline.com/health-news/leaky-gut-implicated-in-multiple-…

another few links: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/03/27/new-research-shows-poo… This one has a few links within this webpage:http://jeffreydachmd.com/wheat_gluten_leaky_gut_part_four/ http://www.positivehealth.com/article/cellular-chemistry/food-toxins-mo… http://www.drperlmutter.com/study/intestinal-barrier-dysfunction-develo… http://www.healthline.com/health-news/leaky-gut-implicated-in-multiple-… http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22109896

Leaky gut can be diagnosed with a food sensitivity test which I have had - never mind the $$ all the time. Most peeps with CPN and such weird bacteria have this.Probiotics and bone broth seem to be the most helpful as well as steamed veg instead of raw. And then possibly gluten is a prob, so no bread...not that thrilling but hey

Hey …There’s probably a qualitative and real difference between gluten sensitivity and intolerance – which is one thing – and actual permeability of the gut wall in certain places, which is quite another.  I have had the cameras and the barium X-Rays and all that paraphernalia.  I was able to see the diverticular of this diverticular disease.  That this situation causes infection and unregulated permeability beyond the intestinal wall is not beyond my imagination.That others members of our community have not suffered this and have not be thus afflicted is not evidence or proof or disproof of anything.  If someone’s gut wall is in a good and healthy condition, then that is a reflection of their general good health … naturally, the opposite is so too.It isn’t the case that it’s being argued here that CPn is not the cause of asthma, arthritis, MS and all sorts.  What is being suggested, I think, is that things like “Leaky gut” play there part in the downfall of the victims of these illnesses.G.  

Inflammatory Bowel Disease is a major cause of translocation of gut bacteria and compounds which are not usually absorbed. Crohn’s Disease has been associated with MRI changes in the brain typical of MS. (A pub med search will help.) So it seems that chronic infection with C. pneumoniae may cause vasculitic phenomena widespread over many systems. Some ten years ago I saw a woman in her thirties who had had a total colectomy for Crohn’s. She had no specific symptoms of MS but she had widespread white-matter changes typical of MS. She also had that strange mental state typical of those with aggressive MS: [ http://www.davidwheldon.co.uk/personality-change.html ]. Finally, she had grossly raised IgA antibodies to C. pneumoniae. I think that evidence is accumulating that many chronic disease entities are interlinked. The trouble is that the division of medical specialties prevents a view of the overall picture. The woman above clearly had had Crohn’s and a forme fruste of MS. Her neurologist advised her against treatment for a chronic C. pneumoniae infection. (He can’t think out of the box. Perhaps one day they will screw the lid on.)