Helpful explanation
"Say Chlamydia pneumoniae and before you get to pneumoniae most people think of a sexually transmitted disease.
"As soon as people hear the name Chlamydia their ears shut down," said Dr. Charles W. Stratton, associate professor of Pathology. "They either don't hear or don't understand the second part - pneumoniae. They think of Chlamydia trachomatis, a common cause of sexually transmitted diseasesii. Chlamydia pneumonia is the one that's not fun to catch."
The Chlamydia pneumoniae (C. pneumoniae) organism, first described in 1988, is not the sexually-transmitted type. It is an airborne organism that you get from breathing after a person carrying the organism has coughed.
"They float around as droplet nuclei, similar to TB. People cough and up come these infectious bodies. They float around a room. You breathe. In they come and now you've got your own."
It's how they work inside the body that Stratton, Dr. William M. Mitchell, professor of Pathology, and colleagues have been looking at for the past five years.
The study of the organism has intensified as Stratton's colleagues at Vanderbilt and other medical centers around the country, including Johns Hopkins and The Mayo Clinic, look at the role of Chlamydia in diseases such as Multiple Sclerosis, Rheumatoid Arthritis, Pyoderma gangrenosum, Coronary Artery Disease and Interstitial Cystitisii.
Stratton said that Chlamydia is sneaky.
When viruses invade a cell, if they are active, they integrate in the human DNA and basically take over the cell.
"They tell the cell, 'Ok, today, we're going to do nothing but make viruses and the cell often dies in this process," Stratton said.
Chlamydia works in a different way.
First, when you breathe in Chlamydia, it can infect the ciliated cells, the cells lining the airways. Ciliated cells are like an escalator that moves mucus along. Chlamydia can paralyze the ciliated cells because it steals their energy. So the host has a nasty respiratory infection.
When you have an active infection of any kind, the body has an immuneii response to it. Part of the immune response is that monocytes and macrophages try to engulf the pathogen and kill it.
But they can't always kill Chlamydia. Instead, they disseminate the organism to peripheral blood mononuclear cells and the organism can silently infect other cells in the body.
"With these cryptic infectionsii, you don't have symptoms. And because Chlamydia isn't really a virus, when it's causing a cryptic infection, it's metabolizing. It's eating, drinking, singing and dancing. It's alive."
Since Chlamydia can't make its own energy, it has to steal energy from the human cell. This means the chlamydia-infected cell doesn't work well.
"If Chlamydia is actively metabolizing in a cell, it's up to no good. It's stealing energy. I can't picture anything good coming from chlamydia being in a human cell."
Chlamydia also likes to infect endothelial cells, the cells that line blood vessels. When there's inflammationii in the body, there often is angiogenesis, meaning new blood cells are formed. And Chlamydia is drawn to those cells.
So if Chlamydia is in the peripheral blood mononuclear cells and there's an inflammation in the host's body, you're "unlucky," Stratton said. Any secondary inflammatory process could become secondarily infected by Chlamydia no matter what the source of the inflammation, Stratton said.
"Now you've got a chronic problem," Stratton said. "Now you've got a major chronic infection in the tissue, whether it's the brain (MS) or in the joints (Rheumatoid Arthritis).
"If you have inflammation, a spider bite, a viral joint infection, viral meningitis or encephalitisii, it doesn't matter what it is, if a Chlamydia-infected cells happens to end up in that inflamed area, you may have just started yourself a Chlamydia farm."
Stratton said this doesn't necessarily mean that Chlamydia causes the disease, but it may play heavily into how the disease progresses. There may be many causes of MS, Rheumatoid Arthritis or other diseases in which Chlamydia is believed to play a role.
"One thought is that Chlamydia is not the cause of anything other than pneumonia but once it causes a lung infection and gets into your peripheral blood mononuclear cells, it's available to cause secondary infections in other tissues if the infected white cells happen to go to those tissues.
"It may be that MS is an infection of the brain that is caused by viruses, and most people who get that viral infection of the brain have a headache for a week, then get better. If you happen to have Chlamydia, however, you may go on and have a chronic illness."
Maria
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Maria, Thanks for moving this interesting excerpt to a thread of it's own. I have already printed it out and am bookmarking it too! Louise
I came across this article while Googling "spider bite and infection" My huge cascade of symptoms began the next day after I was bitten by a spider. Seeing this quote: "If you have inflammationi, a spider bite, a viral joint infection, viral meningitis or encephalitisii, it doesn't matter what it is, if a Chlamydia-infected cells happens to end up in that inflamed area, you may have just started yourself a Chlamydia farm." really got my attention!!!
Now I have to jump in the sauna because it has been in the 40's here during the day and my thin Calif blood just can't take it!!!
Raven
Feeling 98% well-going for 100. Very low test for Cpni. CAPi since 8-05 for Cpn/Mycoplasma P.,Lyme, Bartonella, Mold exposure,NACi,BHRT, MethyB12 FIRi Sauna. 1-18-11 begin new treatment plan with naturopath
I am happy to have this article to copy & share as it explains things so well. My thanks for posting it. I am wondering when folks read it if they will treat us like a carrier of TB though knowing we carry Cpni.
"It is an airborne organism that you get from breathing after a person carrying the organism has coughed."
Does anyone know when we are no longer contagious? For example with Strep after you are on antibioticsi for 48 hrs. I believe you aren't contagious.
Wow Raven! That is incredible reading it in view of your spider bite, etc.
2002:CFSi. (2008-09:CPNi - CAPi/5 pulses) 3/2010: Restart CAP: 200Doxy/250Zith-MWF/Tinii pulses. 6/2010: HighBP/Benicar, 7/2010: EBVi, HHV6. 2012: 6,000 IU daily vit. D., Citioline CDP choline = sleep improvement dramatic.
CAPi for Cpni 11/04. Dxi: 25+yrs CFSi & FMSi. Currently: 250 aithromycin mwf, doxycycline 100mg BIDi, restarted Tinii pulses; Vit D2000 units, T4 & T3, 6mg Iodoral
Thanks Maria for posting this little gem. This information is fairly well known to the veterans but as you say it is often difficult to understand the actual process, especially if like me one is not used to scientific language. I agree with Jim this should be placed in the handbook.
Jim do you want me to do it?
Michèle (UK) GFAi: Wheldon CAPi 1st May 2006. Daily Doxyi, Azi MWF, metroi pulse.
This article helped me understand two things. One, why my daughter was sick with cpni -- that her immunei system had not cleared the primary infection from her body and had disseminated the cpn to peripheral blood mononuclear cells and then the cpn had silently infected other cells in her body. Two, why she had such persistent neck pain since the mono infection. When she got mono her immune system tried to "help" by fighting the infection but instead had sent cpn infected cells to her neck. To paraphrase Dr. Stratton ...they set up a little chlamydia farm in my daughters neck! It was very much an aah haa moment for me.
Glad it can help others.
Maria
Would it be possible to have the actual link for this? I usually can "google" things pretty well, but haven't been able to get the actual article. I am especially concerned about a close friend of mine who was very ill this past summer from what she said was a "spider bite".... would like to forward it to her.
Thanks much
JeanneRoz ~ DXi'd w/ CPNi 4/2007; 6/07 -"officially" dx'd w/CFIDSi/FM; also: HHV6, EBVi, IBSi-C, 100 Doxyi:BIDi; 500 mg Biaxin BIDi; Tindamax Pulses, B12 shots, ERFA Dessicated Thyroid,Cortef, Iodoral 25 mg, Vit D-6,000 uni
Sure here is the link. I don't know how to make it "clickable" for you so you will have to cut and paste it into your browser. Also, for some reason the article just ends in mid-sentence. Don't know why but at least the important part is there.
http://www.mc.vanderbilt.edu/reporter/index.html?ID=779
Maria
Good to understand a bit more. I thank you JimK for sharing your point. With all my lung congestion these days I do feel & sound very contagious. Hope folks will believe me this holiday when I say I am not. <wink>
Thanks for the link Maria. Wondering if there are more articles by Dr. Stratton like this one for us to read. It really helps to understand.
So wonderful your daughter has you for her health advocate. Amazing what you shared about her story via the infection process. Like Raven you have such a clear picture. So glad she is getting proper treatment early in life. Kudos to the both of you.
2002:CFSi. (2008-09:CPNi - CAPi/5 pulses) 3/2010: Restart CAP: 200Doxy/250Zith-MWF/Tinii pulses. 6/2010: HighBP/Benicar, 7/2010: EBVi, HHV6. 2012: 6,000 IU daily vit. D., Citioline CDP choline = sleep improvement dramatic.