MediTest
27 Apr 2018
Author
Marcia
Title

FIR Sauna

Body

Jim K. said the following regarding the use of the FIR Sauna to help rid our bodies of Cpn. "One of the reasons the FIR sauna is used is to create artificial fever, which seems to kick in immunei system cells that don't function well at low body temp." Would a hot tub create the same "artificial fever"?  I have a hot tub, but no Sauna access.

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Marcia,

I understand some Drs recommend hot epsom salt baths.  I think you might be able to get the same from a hot tub, yes although I think it's better if you can forego the chlorinated water but in addition to the hot baths I'm using, I'm considering using the hot tub at the gym.  Image removed.

 

MP for 3 1/2 yrs. NAC 1200 mg/2x day, Iodoral 25 mg, myco+ I (still) want my life back! CFIDS/FMS, Hashimoto's, Psoriasis, PA, IBS, Secondary Addison's

When I change what I believe I change what I do

NAC 2.4g, Zith 250mg/MWF, mino 200mg, Tini 5day/1g/5 pulses, ValcyteSupplements, CFIDS/FMS, Hashimoto's, Psoriasis, PA, IBS, Sec Addisons Don't believe everything you think!  

Beware the water in public hot tubs. If your immune system is compromised because of Cpn infection, this is the last place you want to go.
The steam from a public hot tub can carry myco bacteria that are almost impossible to eradicate.
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/EiD/vol8no7/02-0143.htm

Skin infections are also a possibility from the water.
I even quit working out at my local gym because of the lack of sanitation and cleaning. Just do my exercise at home. I don't need more exposure to more bugs.

Just my 2¢

Raven

CAP since 8-05 for Cpn and Mycoplasma P. for MS and/or CFS

Feeling 98% well-going for 100. Very low test for Cpn. CAP since 8-05 for Cpn/Mycoplasma P.,Lyme, Bartonella, Mold exposure,NAC,BHRT, MethyB12 FIR Sauna. 1-18-11 begin new treatment plan with naturopath

There are effects that FIR gives that hot tubs don't. I haven't found them to give the same impact. You can use NIR brooder lamps (can by at True Value with a clip on socket), but the die-off can be less controlled and too much locally. I think the FIR is better.

CAP for Cpn 11/04. Dx: 25yrs CFS & FMS. Protocol: 200mg Doxy, 250mg MWF Azith, Tini 1000mg/day pulses; Vit D1000 units, Iodoral 50mg, T4 & T3

This topic was put to my CFS doctor today at a group support meeting. She recommends FIR for it's detoxificaton benefits and because it is easier for people to tolerate as it doesn't increase core body temperature the way a regular sauna does. So it would seem to me that it's having minimal "artificial fever" effects except perhaps at skin level which could explain why you're not getting the same benefits from a hot tub which would increase core body temp.   The epsom salt bath gives both detoxification and magnesium absorption where the magnesium absorption is what is making you feel better due to its effects on muscles.

CFS-2004 CPN 2000mg NAC daily

CFS-2005 CPN 2500mg NAC daily

 I think it depends on how long you do it. If you take your temp before and find the time it takes to raise your temp a degree, you are increasing core body temp as far as I understand it. But you have to work up to that. You can also monitor your "next morning" temp: if it's lower than you basal temp then you probably got an endotoxin dump. You'll probably feel like crap too!

CAP for Cpn 11/04. Dx: 25yrs CFS & FMS. Protocol: 200mg Doxy, 250mg MWF Azith, Tini 1000mg/day pulses; Vit D1000 units, Iodoral 50mg, T4 & T3

I learned the hard way.  I had the FIR pre cap as my temp is low lots & I didn't like going out in -30 weather to the hot tub.  Hot tub now sits empty.

I 2nd what Jim says, when on the CAP, work up your heat setting & total time slowly & I learned from someone else here last year, keep your head out of the FIR.

CFIDS/ME 25yrs, FMS, IBS, EBV, Cpn, (insomnia - melatonin, GABA, tarazadone, triazolam, novocycloprine, allergy formula, 3 gm tryptophan), Natural HRT peri-M, NAC 2.5 gm, 6-07 Doxy 200 mg day pm, Azith 375 mg M/W/Fday, Pulse8 750mg 4day,375X1 3-24-8

CFIDS/ME, FMS, MCS, IBS, EBV, CMV, Cpn, H1, chronic insomnia, Chronic Lyme, HME, Babesia, Natural HRT-menopause, NAC 2.4 gm,Full CAP 6-2-07, all supplements+Iodorol, Inositol-depression, ultra Chitosan, L lysine Pulse#27 04-19-10 1gm Flagyl/day-5 days<

I wonder if some of the effects of the FIR sauna are like sunbathing since we were told at the MP site to avoid anything IR (infra red) including sauna and sunlight due to the effects it has on raising 1,25D, the active D metabolite.  

I'm also curious what makes a sauna not FIR?  My understanding is that heat sources like fires and saunas emit IR as in the "heat" part.  LOL  

 

MP for 3 1/2 yrs. NAC 1200 mg/2x day, Iodoral 25 mg, myco+ I (still) want my life back! CFIDS/FMS, Hashimoto's, Psoriasis, PA, IBS, Secondary Addison's

When I change what I believe I change what I do

NAC 2.4g, Zith 250mg/MWF, mino 200mg, Tini 5day/1g/5 pulses, ValcyteSupplements, CFIDS/FMS, Hashimoto's, Psoriasis, PA, IBS, Sec Addisons Don't believe everything you think!  

If you don't have access to a FIR sauna, hot baths do help with endotoxin chills and aches. Add 3 cups of Epson salts and some sea salt to help muscles relax and detox.
Dr. Wilson wrote a very good book on infrared saunas. Here's a little excerpt from his book:
http://www.drlwilson.com/Books/saunabook.htm

Well worth sending away for. He is a fan of the red lamp type (Near Infrared) but also talks about the FIR (Far Infrared).

Before I had a sauna, the hot Epson salt baths were my salvation from aching and chills and generally feeling like c**p my first year of treatment. I would mix up 3-4 grams of buffered C powder in water and jump in the tub to sip it. You figure out pretty quickly how to mitigate those nasty days.

Raven

CAP since 8-05 for Cpn and Mycoplasma P. for MS and/or CFS.
Also EBV and HHV6

Feeling 98% well-going for 100. Very low test for Cpn. CAP since 8-05 for Cpn/Mycoplasma P.,Lyme, Bartonella, Mold exposure,NAC,BHRT, MethyB12 FIR Sauna. 1-18-11 begin new treatment plan with naturopath

 As far as I know, it is not IR that produces Vitamin D in the skin, it is UV, an entirely different spectrum. There should be no effect on D from FIR sauna. If you have some scientific references showing otherwise, I'd love to see them.

CAP for Cpn 11/04. Dx: 25yrs CFS & FMS. Protocol: 200mg Doxy, 300mg Roxithromycin, Tini 1000mg/day pulses; Vit D1000 units, Iodoral 50mg, T4 & T3

Jim,

I'll have to go back and peruse my references so I can find something other than from the MP site directly which may be hard to do.  

Trevor Marshall, PhD has always said that folks with D dysregulation will increase their 1,25D production when exposed to IR rather than just UV rays.  It may have something more to do with heat than light as was also voiced on that site and experienced by many ill folks.  

In other words, exposure to IR will cause the hormone which is directly produced in the bacteria infected cells rather than just the production of 25D on the skin by UV/IR radiation so, to sum it up, I do believe that this has been founded to take place (in part) depending on how infected someone is.  As one returns to health, they would have less concentration of 1,25D in their cells due to less infection, hence, less reaction to light and heat. 

This paper explains that in part but it doesn't say IR causes the conversion like is said at the MP site. Image removed.

Extrarenal sites of calcitriol synthesis: the particular role of the skin.

 

MP for 3 1/2 yrs. NAC 1200 mg/2x day, Iodoral 25 mg, myco+ I (still) want my life back! CFIDS/FMS, Hashimoto's, Psoriasis, PA, IBS, Secondary Addison's

When I change what I believe I change what I do

NAC 2.4g, Zith 250mg/MWF, mino 200mg, Tini 5day/1g/5 pulses, ValcyteSupplements, CFIDS/FMS, Hashimoto's, Psoriasis, PA, IBS, Sec Addisons Don't believe everything you think!  

Red

Hi Reenie,

Just for clarification, previtamin D3 is produced in the skin upon exposure to UVB rays  in the range of 290-315 nm as the following study by Holick and friends points out:

Vitamin D and skin physiology: a D-lightful story

Far infrared is on the other side of the visible spectrum closer to 1000um (1mm):

Electromagnetic Spectrum

On Combined Antibiotic Protocol for Cpn in Rosacea 01/06 - 07/07, On Vit D3 + NAC since 07/07 and daily FIR Sauna since 08/07

Treatment for Rosacea

  • CAP:  01/06-07/07
  • High-Dose Vit D3, NAC:  07/07-11/08
  • Intermtnt CAP, HDose Vit D3:  11/08-01/09
  • HDose Vit D3, Mg, Zn: 01/09-