Does vit C enanche replication of chlamydia?

Submitted by dome on Thu, 2009-12-10 16:11

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Need info on what would be the test to have for chlamydia to give to the doctor.  I tried to do a search but could not find what I seen at one time.  Is there anything else I could bring my doctor to convince her about treatment or other things on this bacteria.  Thank you chipper

CFS,COPD, asthma,IBS, no abs, looking for Doc,vitamins, NAC,1200 dy, alpha lopic, iodine 50mg.

 

Chipper,

Here's a link to the original version of my notebook: http://www.thisisms.com/ftopic-4375-days0-orderasc-15.html 

You need to go down a few posts to find the one about the notebook.  I'm sure that there are recent articles you might want to add, but this is a start.

Given that, we had a tough time finding a doctor and eventually went directly to Vanderbilt.  But, if Vanderbilt hadn't been an option, I think our best local bet would have been to find a local doctor that knows about Lyme.

Finding a doctor was harder than we expected. Good Luck, Ken

 

In pursuit of ABX

Don't Allow What You Know To Get In The Way Of What Might Be

any new info about intravenous c and cpn/ctr?

i took IV c 7.5g on tuesday and it knocked me down. fever and total sceletonal muscle weaknes.

i read in those articles, vit c helps chlamydial inclusions. it also states 120mg/dl and more acrobic acid inhibits chlamidial inclusions. is 7.5 g of vit c about 150mg/dl? if so, high dosesof vit c shoudl be anti chlamidial?

On CAP from 03/14. CPN/CTR.

Vitamin C does promote Chlamydia growth in the test tube ... However, it is also important for immune function and Chlamydia defense in vivo.  I have a chronic infection which may or may not be CPn, though it behaves just like it.  I developed scurvy when my infection was at its peak and that was the low ebb of my disease.  Since I began supplementing with vitamin C, I have been improving (also improved other things at the same time, I'm not attributing the improvement to vitamin C).  I believe the bacteria use and deplete the body's vitamin C, which leads to glutathione depletion and impairment of the immune response, as well as the potential for scurvy, which can be devastating.  You're much better off supplementing with vitamin C is my view. 
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PaulJ, That is not correct. Vitamin C both promotes and inhibits Cpn in a dose dependent manner. Reading between the lines suggests that it induces Cpn into an EB state which can have both effects depending upon how many of the Cpn in a cell are induced. In any event it does not do a great job of this as it has very short (30 minute) half life so it is basically exiting your system as quickly as you ingest it. - Paul

Paul –  Here are the only two published papers on vitamin C effect on Chlamydia in culture:  
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11938727The results suggested that vitC was a kind of nutrient needed for CT. The proliferation of CT in the cell can be promoted by vitC.
  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1400952We investigated the effects of vitamin C on the growth of C. trachomatis E/UW-5/Cx in a primary culture of human amniotic epithelial cells. The results showed that vitamin C enhances C. trachomatis infection at concentrations of 0.2, 0.6, and 1.2 mg/dl (P less than 0.001). These three concentrations represent the in vivo concentrations of deficiency, normal, and overload levels in serum, respectively. The enhancement was dose dependent. However, the growth of C. trachomatis was inhibited at vitamin C concentrations of 120 and 1,200 mg/dl.  
So you have to get up to 200 times normal cellular levels of vitamin C before it starts inhibiting C. trachomatis growth … such levels aren’t physiologically attainable in the human body.  At all cellular levels achievable in vivo, vitamin C enhances C. trachomatis growth.  Presumably it does the same for C. pneumoniae. 
Of course, the main point stands – that vitamin C is probably helpful for C. pn. patients since it benefits the immune response and normal cellular function.
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Hi PaulJ, I hate to pull a Norman and argue every tedious point but... such levels aren’t physiologically attainable in the human body What would make you think that? People take up to 100 grams orally. What do you think the Vitamin C levels are in the cells in the stomach and intestines when they do this? I have personally tried 40 grams infused over an hour a few times. I am not an advocate of either of these approaches as I think they are interesting but mostly ineffective but I do think high levels are achievable in vivo. - Paul (Norman, hopefully you will take this with the intended humor.)

Hey PaulJ, I would rather concede myself than take 100 grams of Vitamin C orally ;) But there are people who do this and some on this site take "moderate doses", probably in the 5-20 gram level. Anyway I am just arguing here. I actually agree with you that Vitamin C is of dubious value. - Paul