Does dieoff cause insomnia?

Submitted by Lynnp on Mon, 2010-11-08 16:41

I have had more trouble sleeping lately, not that I sleep good.  I started back on all my meds and my ears are ringing, feel shaky, hot, swollen, flushed, and hyper.  I think I started too much back too fast after being off of the antibiotics and Tini.  I may need to just start back on one antibiotic a day for 2 days and then add the other one???  (doxy and biaxin each twice a day).  Then maybe try tini later???  I really got sick with a throat/sinus infection, have laryngitis real bad and feel horrible so started back on all 3 at one time hoping I would get over it fast. 

Sorry so many questions.  I haven't posted for a while.  Just been keeping my head down, plodding along.  Gained 25 pounds and now it's holiday time.  Oh joy!  Thanks, Lynn


 Hey Lynn, so sorry you feel bad and not sleeping well just makes everything so much worse. I have trouble sleeping too with same symptoms,ringing in ears is always worse on azith days. Feel really tired on my big one or two pulse days per month! I am such a whimp but I am taking things very slowly. Hang in there and things will get better I just know they will. Trust your feelings and keep fighting. All the best,Patti Rodriguez
FMS,CFS, 15 years,CPn antibodies,mycoplasm pn.,leison on posterior pituitary. Started CAP end of Dec. 08 mino.100 daily, azith. 250 MWF all supplements,compounded T3 therapy.

Hello Lynn, sorry you feel so bad, I think insomnia can be from tini. My sleep is always worse, when I pulse and I sleep less than usually and have wild dreams. It can be porphyria also. I would start with just two antibiotics or one and then add another, letting tini for later times. You also can not know how you will react after longer period without abx. Best Lala

Stratton/Wheldon protocol 02/2006 - 10/11 for CFS and many problems 30 years

Lynnp, I know I keep insisting on the bart thing but if you have bartonella, then tini hits it as well as biaxin (or zithro), so yes you may be herxing... Don't forget your detox supps. Hang in there!
Diagnosed with MS on March 2009, started CAP on Jan 2010. Doxy 200mg- Roxy 300mg- NAC and all major supplements.

Shahbah, do you have any paper about bart and tini? I have never heard about it and I am interested in..

Stratton/Wheldon protocol 02/2006 - 10/11 for CFS and many problems 30 years

Sorry to hear about insomnia.  I've come up with a cocktail of supplements that really works to keep me asleep after years of insomnia.  Before bed I take 100 mg of the amino acid theanine, one to three 700mg capsules of GABA (this is a real knocker outer, best to start with just one), and sustained release melatonin.  I started with one 2 mg pill but I stay asleep longer with two pills.  I also take a sublingual  melatonin that puts me to sleep really quickly.  The whole thing sounds nuts, but my PCP pushed me to take sleeping pills.  I decided to up my doses of supplements instead and it works.  I hope this helps.

"shaky, hot, swollen, flushed, and hyper"

Lynn- yes indeedy! Porphyrins especially bind to GABA receptors and block the natural GABA from getting there and calming you down.That's the hyper and shakey part of what you report. This means you need to be disciplined about using charcoal 2 hours before or after any meds to soak up the fat soluble porphyrins as well as a lot of H2O to dilute the water solubles.

The hot, swollen, flushed may be more from endotoxins-- EmergenC has always been the best counter for this one that I know of.

Slow down your abx ramp up and wait on the Tini until you aren't reacting as much.


CAP for Cpn 11/04. Dx: 25+yrs CFS & FMS. Currently: 250 aithromycin mwf, doxycycline 100mg BID, restarted Tini pulses; Vit D2000 units, T4 & T3, 6mg Iodoral