Depression and antidepressants
Does anyone take antidepressants along with cpni treatment protocol? How does it interfere or is there any influence? I am in 4th day after my second metroi pulse and depression is quite cruel for me. I hope it will go during few days, but for future I am considering this possibility although I am not very keen to take any psychoactive pills. But from my today view metronidazole is psychoactive itself.
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Lala
SORRY! Flagyli does do that - you are correct. My husband says it does not do that to "normal people" (he is a pediatrician). Get through this if you can - if you can't, reduce the dosage or cut the pulse short. I did some of my first pulse with the full dosage but never, never again. My standard was 375mg 3xd 5d. I accomplished this with 1 250 mg pill and cutting one in half with scissors. I have done 23 pulses and I can tell you that it gets better and better, but it is really, really hard. The other choice is switching to tinidazole (tindazole) I am now in my second pulse of that and it cuts the mental synptoms, at least after 1 1/2 years, by half. Try to stay with it and don't be afraid to cut down a little. It made the difference of doing or not doing for me. Sleep if you can and let it do its black magic job.
Rica
Ignorance is voluntary bad luck. Lauritz S. A true Viking
If you come to a fork in the road, take it. Yogi Berra
3/9 Symptoms returning. Began 5 abxi protocol 5/9 Rifampin 600, Amox 1000, Doxyi 200, MWF Azith 250, flagyli 1000 daily. Began Sept 04 PPMSi EDSSi 6.7 Now good days EDSS 1 Mind, like parachute, work only when open. Charlie Chan In for the duration.
Lala, MsWillow was hit hard by the flagyli dementors, but came out of it better than ever. Hang on. It passes very quickly and you have us to talk to if you need to vent your feelings.
The difference between what we do and what we are capable of doing would suffice to solve most of the world’s problems. Mohandas Gandhi
The difference between what we do and what we are capable of doing would suffice to solve most of the world’s problems. Mohandas Gandhi
Gosh Lala, I am sorry for you. I think flagyl is psychoactive also. Try to get Tinzadole but if not, you can do it! It is temporary and then you'll get happy again. That's how ti was for me anyway...
blessings
Marie
Yes, thank you for your support. I took 1250mg daily, 3xper day. The problem is, I am quite ok on my metroi pulse, I do not feel any need to stop. But third and fourth day after pulse boss is coming and hell starts. First day after pulse is quite ok, second is worse. Does it mean that my brain is affected also, if I have depression? I suppose that. I hope tomorrow I will land on the ground..
Stratton/Wheldon protocol 02/2006 - 10/11 for CFSi and many problems 30 years
Stratton/Wheldon protocol 02/2006 - 10/11 for CFSi and many problems 30 years
We are taking Citalec
We are very satisfied! It is about serotonin level. Ask your GP for prescription.
Jan, Prague, The Czech Republic
Date Started CAPi''s:
12/01/2005
On CAPs:12/01/2005 till March 2013; 20 years CFSi,IBSi, fibromyalgiai; about 10 years chronic sinusitis, laryngotracheitis, from 2002 hoarseness; from 2003 - v.s. lumbosacral meningoradiculitis, hypertensioni...
I know. But I do not want to ask my GP. She would say all my problems are psychic as she ever claimed.
Prague, The Czech Republic, On Wheldon protocol since february 2006
Stratton/Wheldon protocol 02/2006 - 10/11 for CFSi and many problems 30 years
Rica, I agree with your husband: I took Flagyli years ago with no side effects whatsoever that I recall. Now, I feel flat, achy, and distracted during a pulse (mine so far have been mild.) I guess the difference must be the C.Pn., so maybe a tinii pulse wouldn't feel any different than a Flagyl for me. Hah! There's a rule-of-thumb in the making: If Flagyl doesn't bother you that much, switching to tini won't help much.
Anyway, back to depression: Lala, could you try St. John's Wort? It's supposed to raise serotonin, and you might not need to involve your GP.
I know what you mean about saying all your problems are psychic. One of my oldest friends is a nurse; in fact, I tutored her in Chemistry during nursing school. The first few times I had breathing problems, I felt anxious (of course, who wouldn't?), and now it's her opinion that I have a panic disorder. She absolutely ignores anything I say that conflicts with that opinion -- too threatening to her world-view, I guess.
Ron
Stratton protocol for CFSi starting 01/06 (NE Ohio, USA).
Ron
On CAPi for CFSi starting 01/06 (NE Ohio, USA)
Began rifampin trial 1/14/09
Currently: on intermittent
!!!!!! I wish I knew how to do the quote thing - how is it possible for her to feel that way!!! Tinii is a HUGE mental change for me. I believe that even if I had taken flagyli instead of tine this time and the pulse before, I wouldn't have reacted as much as months or a year ago. I think I am better!
Rica
Ignorance is voluntary bad luck. Lauritz S. A true Viking
If you come to a fork in the road, take it. Yogi Berra
3/9 Symptoms returning. Began 5 abxi protocol 5/9 Rifampin 600, Amox 1000, Doxyi 200, MWF Azith 250, flagyli 1000 daily. Began Sept 04 PPMSi EDSSi 6.7 Now good days EDSS 1 Mind, like parachute, work only when open. Charlie Chan In for the duration.
The Flagyli vs. Tinidazole controversy is really interesting. For example, in my short experience with pulses I found the most relief for my aches/pains and the most cognitive improvements came from Flagyl. However the weirdo gloom made me feel so odd that I began using Tini instead.
Now after two Tini pulses in a row, I pine for that wonderful anti-inflammatory effect of Flagyl. I have more physical pains--burning muscles/achey joints with Tini, but contrary to what most report, I still do experience gloomy days post pulse.
Not sure if my reactions indicate that one drug is killing more cpni than the other. One thing for certain: both really mess up my gait.
KK2 :)
Oh Rica...Yes you are better!!
"What saves a man is to take a step. Then another step"
-C.S. Lewis
Wheldon Protocol for rrmsi since Oct '05. Added LDN 4.5mg qhs Oct '07. All supp's. Positive IGGi's for Lyme Disease,Babesia, & Erlichiosis Sept. 2008. Currently: Mepron 750mg bid and Azithromycin 250mg qdi for Babesia.
LaLa,
We are trying the St. John's Wort. We discovered ("admitted") that zithi makes Jim very cranky and uptight. Prescription anti-depressants are out of the question for him because of his job, so we are forced to try the naturals.
Can't say if it's working yet as I believe it takes several weeks to show its action, but we are hopeful it will help with some of the emotional aspects of this disease and treatment.
He's taking 3-300mg with a standardized .3% Hypericin--I think that is what is recommended for treatment of mild to moderate depression. Some interesting studies that show efficacy rates equal to or better than the rx's.
I'll let you know how its going,
Lexy
Thank you for this idea. I will certainly try Hypericum perforatum, it could be worthful. Lexy tell me then about your experiences, I will let you know about mines. I tried huge amount of charcoal, it helped again physical pain but it did nothing with psyche. I would rather suffer from physical pain than from depression, which is combined with chaos and angry states. But despite this, I was quite ok before starting second pulse. I was much much better than three months ago. So I believe here is only some dirty station and next time I will stop at better place. Generaly my health is coming back, slowly but evidently. I had more energy, less pain, many things improved...I will write some short overview after this period will subside.
Prague, The Czech Republic, On Wheldon protocol since february 2006
Stratton/Wheldon protocol 02/2006 - 10/11 for CFSi and many problems 30 years
The impact on the gait of those of us who still call ourselves walkers can almost make you wish for a cane sometimes, especially the week after the pulse, but for me each third week was a little better than the previous. I wasn't sure that tinii was going to do anything because it was so much easier but this very day I am definitely spectacular! Even if I couldn't walk, I would be thrilled with my state compared to the hell of a year ago - no, 14 months now.
Rica
Ignorance is voluntary bad luck. Lauritz S. A true Viking
If you come to a fork in the road, take it. Yogi Berra
3/9 Symptoms returning. Began 5 abxi protocol 5/9 Rifampin 600, Amox 1000, Doxyi 200, MWF Azith 250, flagyli 1000 daily. Began Sept 04 PPMSi EDSSi 6.7 Now good days EDSS 1 Mind, like parachute, work only when open. Charlie Chan In for the duration.
Another herb that some clients of mine report to lessen anxiety is Blessed Thistle. Worth looking into.
On CAPi's protocol for Cpni in CFSi/FMSi since December 2004.
Currently: 150mg INHi, Doxyi/Zithi, Tinii pulses
"I really didn't say everything I said." Yogi Berra
CAPi for Cpni 11/04. Dxi: 25+yrs CFSi & FMSi. Currently: 250 aithromycin mwf, doxycycline 100mg BIDi, restarted Tinii pulses; Vit D2000 units, T4 & T3, 6mg Iodoral
Maybe TÅ™ezalka teÄ?kovaná - St. John's Wort could be an alternative. See Pharmacology
I like tea made from this medicinal herb. Both Citalec and St. John's Wort are I think about Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors. But just to be sure see the paragraph Adverse effects in the same article.
Jan, Prague, The Czech Republic
Date Started CAPi''s:
12/01/2005
On CAPs:12/01/2005 till March 2013; 20 years CFSi,IBSi, fibromyalgiai; about 10 years chronic sinusitis, laryngotracheitis, from 2002 hoarseness; from 2003 - v.s. lumbosacral meningoradiculitis, hypertensioni...
The Flagyli vs. Tinidazolei controversy is really interesting. For example, in my short experience with pulses I found the most relief for my aches/pains and the most cognitive improvements came from Flagyl. However the weirdo gloom made me feel so odd that I began using Tinii instead.
KK2,
I agree that Flagyl seems to provide the most benefit. Tini is much easier to tolerate but then again that may be because it is not doing as much. I prefer the shorter half life of Flagyl for short pulses and the longer half life (and being easier to tolerate) of Tini for longer durations.
- Paul
I use St. John's wort tea every day. I hope it will improve, because today I am two weeks after my second pulse and I am still not ok. On tuesday I should start my third pulse..
Prague, The Czech Republic, On Wheldon protocol since february 2006
Stratton/Wheldon protocol 02/2006 - 10/11 for CFSi and many problems 30 years
Lala- The tea may not be concentrated enough. Most people use extracts here, and it takes up to 3-4 weeks for full effect. Can also make you sensitive to sunburn. If your depression doesn't improve prior to pulse, I wouldn't hesitate in getting some antidepressant help. There is no virtue in suffering that I can see, and even if there is I think you have put in your quota for a lifetime.
Combined Antibiotic Protocol for Chlamydia pneumonia in Chronic Fatigue Syndromei & Fibromyalgiai- Currently: 150mg INHi, Doxycycline/Zithromycin, Tinidazole pulses. Northern Ohio, USA
CAPi for Cpni 11/04. Dxi: 25+yrs CFSi & FMSi. Currently: 250 aithromycin mwf, doxycycline 100mg BIDi, restarted Tinii pulses; Vit D2000 units, T4 & T3, 6mg Iodoral
I asked for extract but pharmacy had only tea, I am afraid it is not available here. But I will check it once more. My depression improved and is better and better everyday. Today I am not in normal yet, but not bad, so-so. I am only afraid that when this dissapears, I will start new pulse and everything will start again. There is one possibility I will get some tinii from abroad, still waiting..and if so, I will wait to see reaction. In case depression continues, I am going to see a doctor. I am fighting against mycoplasma also and maybe that is the reason, why my reactions are so huge. Two bugs with one shot. I am glad I can read your reactions and I have hope things will turn to better side.
Prague, The Czech Republic, On Wheldon protocol since february 2006
Stratton/Wheldon protocol 02/2006 - 10/11 for CFSi and many problems 30 years