27 Apr 2018

Cpn IgG


Hey guys, my name is Bm. So I was diagnosed with Chlamydia Pneumoniae. Two blood tests. Second about two months after one unsuccessful treatment. Symptoms returned.In my childhood, I had lung inflammation every year, the treatment was with very strong antibiotics, which never truly helped me, body temperature was always so high that there was a serious risk of meningitis.


Welcome,I'm sorry for everything you've been through. Luckily you found us. We will help you. I suggest reading through the site's handbook. We have a Summary Chart of Different CAP Protocols for you to look atThe Wheldon CAP is the most user-friendly and easiest to tolerate. It involves 3 abx. Dr Wheldon regularly revises his protocol and it’s a good idea to check out his website for the latest information. There is additional info on his protocol here.When the Cpn dies it releases endotoxins which create what we call ‘die-off effects’ or ‘herx reactions’. This often presents itself as feverish flu-like symptoms, sinus issues, aches and pains. It can also create an amplification of symptoms related to the patient’s ‘auto-immune’ disorder. If the patient has weak legs, they will become weaker. If the pateint has pains in their joints, they will become worse. The important thing to remember is that these episodes are temporary. They are not a sign that the condition has progressed.  Often people panic and stop treatment when they experience die-off. That is, of course, the worse thing they can do. Once the infection is cleared, the body will heal and any lost control will eventually return.When you stop experiencing die-off you can consider stopping the abx. It's a long process but it's worth it.NAC is also important. N-acetylcysteine (NAC) is an amino acid that can kill Cpn elementary bodies (the life stage that spreads the infection). It can be as difficult to adjust to as the antibiotics. The patient should start slowly at 600 mg a day and work their way up to 2400 mg as tolerated. Since there will be die-off, this may take a couple weeks to a couple months, depending on the pateint’s bacterial load. It is important for the patient to go slowly and allow their body time to adjust to the NAC. NAC should be continued well after treatment and possibly for the rest of the patient’s life, since it will prevent the handbook and let us know where you live. Someone may know of a helpful doctor near you. 

Wecome BM, Have hope you have come to the right place and you sound like you are doing your research.  It does take time to learn this but you have had a positive experience with Clari that should encourage you to learn more and over time, and the tx does take time you can do it.   Louise

  • CAP(TiniOnly): 06/07-02/09 for CFS
  • MethylationProtocolSupplements: Started08/08
  • Intermtnt CAP: 02/09-02/10
  • Full MethylProtocol & LDN 02/09
  • Off CAP: 02/10, cont LDN & MethlyProtocol support

Hey guys, thank you for your replies. Sorry for not replying, but I felt kinda bad, was depressed and tired. But today I feel better and decided to read up on Summary Chart.Okay, lets assume my treatment will last for 2 years:I should drink Azithromycin 250 mg, three times a week (Monday, Wednesday, Friday) for two years continuously.+I should drink Doxycycline 200mg, every day for two years continuously+N-acetyl cysteine 2400mg a day, for two years continuously+I should drink Tinidazole 5 days in a row (500mg two times a day), and repeat this course once a month, for two years continuosly.I don't understand why they suggest to gradually increase the dose, why to give this parasite a chance to develop immunity?After reactions are absent, chart says I should switch to intermittent therapy.. But I don't understand it - "once a month course of abx and metronidazole"? How exactly I should drink my meds once a month?And how exactly I can do it "gradually"?Again, I always thought that when you lower antibiotic doses you allow pathogens to develop immunity to antibiotics?Also, I heard that -nidazoles are carcinogenic and can harm liver. What are your thoughts on that?Another concern, disbiosis. This will most definitely destroy good bacteria in my stomach, what probiotics you might suggest? Will "Saccharomyces boulardii" be sufficient?Since it's yeast, antibiotics should not interfere with it?Another concern. What will happen to my immune system? Could I develop immunity deficiency?I also heard some people drink immunosuppressants, to slow down multiplication of Cpn. Is it wise to do? Anyone tried to do that?I have no desire to read a handbook, to be honest. I'm functional maximum 6 hours a day, after that I need to sleep. I want to get my drivers license Finally, so I'm preparing for exams.I live in Lithuania, btw. I bet there are knowledgeable people here, but I'm almost 100% positive no one will help me for free, and as you already know, I'm broke.Life is horrible here, if you are not a business man who exploits people by paying them minimum, you can't earn a lot with honest work, you are a slave. I wanted to leave this country, but right now I simply can not do it.

-The toxins released by the dead cpn can do damage. We gradually increase the dose so you don't end up in the hospital.  -Worry about intermittent after you've been on the CAP at least a year. Right now, it's more important you get a handle on just understanding the CAP.-There is no risk of cancer and the NAC will protect your liver.-Yes, you should take probiotics. Take whatever you want.-No, you will not develop immune deficiency. Immunosupressants will not slow down multiplication of Cpn. They dampen the immune system to make M.S. flares and exacebations manageable but should be used sparingly.-If you are only functional 6 hours day, do you think you can safely undergo the CAP? Do you have any family that can help you? 

Hi, your history sounds bad, but as others have pointed out you have found this site, so thats great.  I know exactly what u mean re drs in eastern europe - the beauty of using his site is that you can do it all without a dr.  I am English, but have been living in Kiev Ukraine for the last 13 years - whats great is that you can buy anti-b's over the counter without prescription, as for supplements well I find ordering them from USA is better than trying to find then here - in poor countries seems supplements are not a priority, but to do this protocol they are necessary.   Anyway, I hope you manage to do this and get your health back.

diagnosed RRMS 2000 - had v little trouble til 2009 when changed to SPMS - since then things got steadily worse.   Had ccsvi procedure 3 times, helped with general fatigue but did nothing for walking - started abx 24.08.2


Thank you for your answers, Jen."Worry about intermittent after you've been on the CAP at least a year"I see, but I still think I must prepare for intermittent, because who knows what will happen tomorrow. Maybe I will not have my internet, or my computer will break.."NAC will protect your liver."Just in case, additionally I will drink some Silymarinum ;)"If you are only functional 6 hours day, do you think you can safely undergo the CAP? Do you have any family that can help you?"By saying functional, I meant loading my brain, for example something like reading a book, studying.The only person who can help me is my mother, but not all day long, she leaves home for work at about 8 in the morning and returns home around 16-17.My father is, well, only concerned with why I am unemployed, why I am on his neck.. while in the meantime he doesn't count how much he spends on his cigarettes and alcohol. (it's 2am in the morning and I can hear the empty vermouth bottles which I saw earlier clanking in the kitchen)I think I can set multiple alarm clocks on my phone, so I can drink my meds in time.. but I think your concern was that die-off can make me very sleepy and I might not be able to wake up in time? Hmm, never thought about that.. just how bad can it get?Well, I think I will handle die-off. Maybe when I will decide to start my treatment, I will start it on Friday, so next two days there is someone who can help me.So how was my assumption of how to drink meds? Was it correct? Aside from not taking in consideration gradual introduction to medication?I will try to write a new version, a new plan with gradual introduction in mind.I will also take your and Louise advice and read a handbook. I see you insist, so I will not argue. :)Hey, Froggy.[offtopic start]Sadly, almost all talented doctors leave our countries for a better life.Few altruists, few old folks, and the rest, well, simply don't care, make you feel like you owe them something and don't understand how to treat. I remember when I once returned to the doctors cabinet to clarify how to drink antibiotics properly, I politely knocked on the door, opened it, and was greeting with "WHAT DO YOU WANT, AGAIN?".Another case was how dentist refused to take nerve killing meds out of my tooth because I was 10 minutes late, said sorry, explained that I have problems with digestive tract, inconsistent bowel movement, but she didn't care and I had to walk for another week or two with the horrible taste of medication (reading online revealed that it was poisonous to have that med for so long). Complaining to a chief doctor while I was in a queue in tha two week period only worsened situation, she said that the dentist did everything correct, and THAT SHOULD TEACH ME A LESSON. Dentist poorly fixed my tooth as a revenge. Nearly a year had passed, but that tooth sometimes hurts after eating hard food like nuts.Countless stories like that, they still bring a tear to my eye. :'(..btw, private clinic had asked something like 220 us dollar PER TOOTH!They said, many canals to fix +Analyses +X-Ray. I had to leave that clinic with a sad face, not only I was upset, I had to pay 35 bucks for a temporary seal, feeling poor (like has no money poor) and helpless.220 us dollar PER TOOTH is A LOT, because people in our country on average earn 320-350$If you have higher education you can expect from 350-560$560$ is considered VERY good, some earn 930$ which is SUPER..But, it is still not enough.. The prices for food, electronics, cars and such are the same as in London, EVEN HIGHER.Prices for apartments are HUGE as well, 75000-85000 USD in Vilnius for a 2 room apartment in a decent building in a crappy neighborhood. And that is only DECENT, not even good. Now how a person earning 320$ can afford to buy even that apartment?And when you walk in the city, you see Porsche Panameras, Carreras and Cayennes, Audi A7/A8/Q7, Jaguars, new Passat CCs. Who are those people? Stealing politics, stealing business man (aka exploiters, pay minimum 320$ and treat you like dog sh1t, you must always be reminded that you are a nobody). They have no shame, living like that when people are living in, basically poverty.[offtopic end]Also, antibiotics here are sadly prescription medication (well, maybe for good, a lot of people drink 'em irresponsibly, producing super forms of parasites).They still drink them irresponsibly, only not in the large quantities as if they were over the counter.Luckily I know a person who can hook me up with antibiotics prescriptions. reason for editing: Didn't notice that my currency converter showed incorrect results.. The incomes are lower. Fixed it now ;)update: started reading the handbook..