MediTest
27 Apr 2018
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melaine
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Correctly following regimen?

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I convinced my general physician to give antibiotic regimen a try. He was reluctant and hesitant about using the flagyl, need to see him again to report how I am doing, and said that a good one a day vitamin should be sufficient rather than all the supplements listed.  I have ordered the supplements anyway and am waiting for the package to arrive.  I have been taking the antibiotics for about 6 weeks and I think I feel better, I have not felt worse than usual. Will the antibiotics help if I am not taking the supplements?

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NO, don't stop the other antibiotics!  You will be taking all three simultaneously!  As well as several dozen vitamins/supplements.  It's a bit overwhelming at first, but you get used to it within a couple of weeks.  Congratulations on starting.  That's what takes the most courage; we'll help you with the rest of it!

The difference between what we do and what we are capable of doing would suffice to solve most of the world’s problems.  Mohandas Gandhi

The difference between what we do and what we are capable of doing would suffice to solve most of the world’s problems. Mohandas Gandhi

 Listen to Mac- 200 doxy + MWF azith, then stay on that continuously while adding flagyl pulses every 3-4 weeks. Start first pulse with just one tablet and see how you react. It takes many of us a number of pulses to build up to full dosage for 5 days.

You can add the supplements at any time, they will help counter oxidative damage and support healing and recovery from Cpn effects. Make sure you aren't taking anything with minerals in it when you take doxy or azith, as minerals interfere with absorbtion. Give 2 hours either side. Charcoal should only be taken alone, again two hours either side.

What condition are you treating for with the protocol? 

On Wheldon/Stratton protocol for Cpn in CFS/FMS since December 2004.

Egads! As a nurse I've heard that nonsense from so many physicians "a good multivitamin is all you need" or even better yet "you get everything you need in you diet. all vitamins do is make expensive urine(imagine here an authoritative chuckle at this HILARIOUS joke...)"

in actual fact, there is no way you can get everything you need in one vitamin pill. A good example is this: magnesium and calcium are physically large. You cannot fit them into a "one a day" they will not go. As a result these pills have a small amount of your RDV of the nutrient. Supoossedly you make up for it in your food and thus get the total, but many diets are substandard and do not. What is the consequence of years of "a little less than RDV" of calcium? Osteopenia maybe? Gee there's an epidemic of that

ANd from a reearch standpoint the supplements do much more than the average doc thinks they do. I happen to know a bit about ALCAR because I did literature research on it for a clinic with an interested MD. It does ALL KINDS of things that are well studied and supported in good peer reviewed research. For example it protects the brain if there is a stroke (gave dogs strokes -I know bless them- and the ALCAR ones did not get many deficits. It's protective)IT is a whole study of it's own, and there's a ton of it going on, but you have to be interested enough to read it and understand it in the larger context of your patients. example: if you were a doc and you by chance read the ALCAR (acetyl l carnitine) research, did you tie it in to your MS patients? or did you get worried about the way it might stimulate the immune system if you thought MS was autoimmune, and thus not tell your patients about it until more studies could be done?

Asking the average doc about supplements is like asking your banker about taxes: certainly they might have studied it and know what's up but in all likelyhood don't know much about it.

I also think the average doc is put off by the very commercial nature of so much of the supplement industry. It's as bad as the pharmaceuticals but with less research to support the claims made by some enterprising people who overstate the research that is there and make claims like for example that "ALCAR cures MS!"
Suplements for the Wheldon protocol are added for very specific and well researched reasons.

marie

On CAP since Sept '05 for MS, RA, Asthma, sciatica. EDSS at start 5.5.(early cane) Now 6 (cane full time) Originally on: Doxy 200, Azith 3x week, Tini cont. over summer '07, Revamp of protocol in Summer '08 by Stratton due to functional loss; clarithro

Hello Melaine, well done for getting your GP to prescribe the antibiotics.  The antibiotics will get rid of a CPn infection whether you are taking supplements or not, but the supplements all help potentiate the action.  They are all there for a specific purpose and probably the best one of all is N-acetyl cysteine.  You can find out more about half way down this page: http://www.davidwheldon.co.uk/ms-treatment.html, as Marie says above.  She is also right about the banker and taxes analogy!  The advice now is to start with the supplements first, then add the antibiotics.  I did it backwards, starting straight off with doxycycline and then roxithromycin.  I was taking a few supplements but nothing much.  It still worked, although I started to look much better after adjusting the supplements......Sarah

Completed Stratton/Wheldon regime for aggressive secondary progressive MS in June 2007, after four years, three of which intermittent.   Still improving bit by bit and no relapses since finishing treatment.

Thanks very much for everyones input. I was worried I had perhaps messed it up. I am doing this to treat MS, I was diagnosed with December 2004. I was doing beta-serone shots for a year and had two new areas affected in that time, so made my own decision that it wasn't doing what it was supposed to. I have felt better since stopping the shots in December. I don't have a lot of confidence in my neuro and am looking for another but am saving up for another round of tests. Have insurance but there is always that darn deductible. Received supplements today so I will be taking them now. Have appointment with Dr. next week to discuss starting the flagyl. I have not had any side effects from taking the antibiotics other than seeming to feel better. There have been a few days when I couldn't stay awake but that is not that unusual for me really. Thanks again for the postive input.

Melaine

My $.02 -- When I tried the abx without supplements, they kicked my fanny. Or, rather, I presume the endotoxin did. My Dr. had me back off, get the supplements going, and then start again, and I am glad he did.

Also, some people have reported an increase in endotoxin symptoms when starting the NAC, presumably because it increases die-off. ("NAC flu") It's a good thing in the long run, and it goes away pretty quickly for most people.

Finally, one of our former family doctors used to ask Dianna about nutrition, because she has a B.S. in what used to be "Home Ec." and she did an entire semester on Food and Nutrition, whereas he'd only had a 2 hour lecture in Med School. Maybe he was joking, though. 

 Ron

On Stratton protocol for CFS starting 01/06 (NE Ohio, USA).

RonOn CAP for CFS starting 01/06 (NE Ohio, USA)Began rifampin trial 1/14/09Currently: on intermittent

Dovechick

I accompanied my daughter Ella to visit Dr Wheldon and we are going to give the abx a go.   I would like to thank Dr. Wheldon for his support, encouragement and the hope this treatment brings to my daughter.   Also thanks to all those contributors who share their experience.  It all helps us NEWBIES to understand what to do.   I will also write to tell all how Ella is getting on.  

We start at a time when she has very little mobility and deteriorating dexterity, as well as brain fog and extreme fatigue.   Three months ago, no one who met her would have been able to tell she had MS.  It was only because I noticed that antibiotics she took for a bladder infection had some temporary positive effects on her symptoms that I searched the internet for a link between abx and MS and up popped Dr Wheldon's website and a little further searching for Cpn came up with this every so useful website.

Thanks all,

Michele (aka Dovechick) 

Michèle (UK) GFA: Wheldon CAP 1st May 2006. Daily Doxy, Azi MWF, metro pulse.

 Michele- Welcome, and thank God for an observant mom, and for David Wheldon! Your daughter sounds so much like Sarah's case, long lingering low-grade problems and then rapid deterioration, that I hope very much her recovery mirrors Sarah's. I empathize also as my 15 year old has CFS caused by Cpn, and it took longer to find a Dr. to diagnose Cpn for her than for me as she is always seronegative: thank God for Dr. Powell!

On Wheldon/Stratton protocol for Cpn in CFS/FMS since December 2004.

How wonderful that you have an opportunity to get this while whe is early days! With her looking "normal" just months ago she could be one who is coming back all the way! Good luck to her We look forward to her progress and story.
marie

On CAP since Sept '05 for MS, RA, Asthma, sciatica. EDSS at start 5.5.(early cane) Now 6 (cane full time) Originally on: Doxy 200, Azith 3x week, Tini cont. over summer '07, Revamp of protocol in Summer '08 by Stratton due to functional loss; clarithro