MediTest
9 Jul 2019
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tuftyone
Title

Gut dysbiosis

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I’ve been looking at some tests I did a couple of years ago with a naturopath. My gut is in a bad state. I’ve always lived a healthy life with a clean diet and can only think the infection is responsible for this. 

Does anyone else have digestion issues?

 

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I used to have severe gut dysbiosis.  It was so bad that I had blood in my stools on a regular basis.  Many people have a dysfunctional colon and do not even know it.  The chemistry of the colon is unique - it is the only organ in the human body that does not prefer dietary sources of energy (carbs, fats, disaccharides) for cellular metabolism.  The preferred energy source for colonic cellular metabolism is butyric acid, obtained from the fermentation of resistant starch.  After I started taking potato starch (a prebiotic), I do not get blood in my stools anymore and my joint pain has gone away.

No, I didn't have stomach issues.  I eat whole milk yogurt, and I never tried to eliminate fat from my diet.  Did you? 

 

I read that c pneumoniae is the only one of the chlamydias that causes atherosclerosis.  If anyone has any idea why or can speculate, I would appreciate knowing as both my brother and I have developed it in a very short time, and it is extremely worrisome. 

 

I think I have a severe case of cpn,in the brain which I got about 8 months ago (Oct. 2018).  

I have a lot of issues with depression, balance, eyesight, ear and teeth problems.  Most important, I have brain shrinkage, and some strange symptoms of that. Does anyone share these issues?

Jean, no, I didn't have stomach issues either, but you say that both you and your brother developed atherosclerosis in a very short time. I feel inclined to think that you were both eating too much fat. I never eliminated from my diet but I didn't eat that much: maybe you eat much more.

Completed Stratton/Wheldon regime for aggressive secondary progressive MS in June 2007, after four years, three of which intermittent.   Still improving bit by bit and no relapses since finishing treatment.

considering that neither of us had any kind of problem until after cpn, I am guessing that cpn caused the atherosclerosis (but then that is the question, right?).

I think I have a severe case of cpn,in the brain which I got about 8 months ago (Oct. 2018).  

I have a lot of issues with depression, balance, eyesight, ear and teeth problems.  Most important, I have brain shrinkage, and some strange symptoms of that. Does anyone share these issues?

Jean, David had very sticky blood and very raised blood pressure, yes from before the same re-infection we both got which pushed my MS into SPMS, but he had probably had the C pn infection from way before, like I did, before we even met.

In my case, the re-infection made my MS progressive but in his case, his circulatory system was attacked.  

Luckily, Scott and Tufty, we neither of us had gut dysbiosis.

Completed Stratton/Wheldon regime for aggressive secondary progressive MS in June 2007, after four years, three of which intermittent.   Still improving bit by bit and no relapses since finishing treatment.

you had cpn previously?

I only have had pneumonia once, but I've had some brutal coughing "events."  I've had all kinds of "viruses," but they just went away.  I never went to a doctor or had them checked out. This is so different.

 

I think I have a severe case of cpn,in the brain which I got about 8 months ago (Oct. 2018).  

I have a lot of issues with depression, balance, eyesight, ear and teeth problems.  Most important, I have brain shrinkage, and some strange symptoms of that. Does anyone share these issues?

I only presume, in retrospect, because all MY brutal coughing events disappeared after treatment and I haven't had a full blown cold since either. So make of it what you will.

Completed Stratton/Wheldon regime for aggressive secondary progressive MS in June 2007, after four years, three of which intermittent.   Still improving bit by bit and no relapses since finishing treatment.

Hi Everyone,

I started the treatment exactly 6 months ago, 11th Jan 2019. I have completed 5 pulses to date and will be starting another in a week or so. The drugs have been kind to me -- no illnesses or symptoms at all. I also continue to take a lot of supplements, as per the suggested list on the Wheldon Protocol. 

I am better in so many ways. My memory and brain power are back, my skin looks better, I am less tired - no more afternoon naps. I have re-started my solo business, and it's going well. I have re-remembered how to do things I'd forgotten, and I can figure things out like I used to. Mental arithmetic? No problem! People's names and faces? Perfectly normal! Cholestrol levels down, sore shoulder and knee, sores in my mouth, passed. 

However... my right leg (footdrop) is terrible and my right side often loses strength. Balance ain't great. I am going to look at research and see what I can do. The French study into huge doses of Biotin looks interesting. I feel I already take a lot, but they took 10 times more, and there were good results. Now that I'm earning again, I can afford to try (!).

En somme: it's been brilliant. D-W and Sarah -- thank you so much. Jan, Boadecia, Kiki,  Neena (especially), Mackintosh, and everyone else. Thanks. All you guys who started CPN Help: good on you. 

Bye for now,

Lizzie

 

 

 

 

Elizabeth Anne

Hey Lizzie!

I am so impressed that you are having such great progress... yippee!!

About Biotin:  I have taken 100 mg. (Milli- not Micro-), a day for a few years now.  And don't buy the 1% Biotin--it's pretty worthless for anyone needing high doses.

Sources:

https://www.bulksupplements.com/pure-biotin-vitamin-b7.html  (don't buy the 1%, it's cheaper, but pretty worthless) ... I also have the capsule making machines, but it's quicker and easier just to put it in water and swig it down.

https://purebulk.com/products/biotin-pure-vitamin-b7?variant=14294915317809

 

Bulk Supplements sells on Amazon, not just through it's own website... the prices seem to be the same.

Amazon also has some capsule options... it seems to me that you are paying for the encapsulation process, but I've still bought them.   I also check for the excipients, I just don't like to take something regularly that has stuff I don't need... that's why the powder Biotin (Bulk Supplements) is great---it's just Biotin and nothing else.

And you could, of course, go to a Compounding Pharmacy and ask them to make you a 30-60-90 day supply of 100 mg. capsules (I would emphasize that you need MILLI- not MICRO- grams as this is a common error).

 

 

Cheers,

Jan

56 y.o. with possible dual diagnoses that I am working to confirm this year: Ankylosing Spondylitis and Scleroderma, and minor Psoriasis.

Jan, so it tastes ok just swigged down in water? I have been taking 200mg in little tablet form, just pure biotin from Oxford Vitality, but it would be nice to try it just in water. I thought it might be a bit gritty.

In the early days, David thought it might be a good idea to take activated charcoal that way.  I didn't, because I didn't want my mouth to look like a black hole!

Completed Stratton/Wheldon regime for aggressive secondary progressive MS in June 2007, after four years, three of which intermittent.   Still improving bit by bit and no relapses since finishing treatment.

It does not taste much like anything.  I just put a bit in my cup and put like a shot-full of water and swished it down.  Nothing.  No aftertaste.  I think it's worth a try.  As you have tablets that might be more difficult... but you could get a very tiny dose of powder Biotin to trial. 

I've trialled a lot of meds/supps/herbs in water, so I understand your caution, but to me it doesn't taste like anything (maybe a bit of talc texture)... and that's brilliant because I can get the dose down and not have a capsule to digest and excipients.   

I have also taken the Activated Charcoal with just water.... I do end up with black teeth/tongue, but I did it at night and after coffee + water + teeth brushing the next morning... I was good to go.  I don't do it regularly... just an experiment.  I did greet the postman the other day after having a lovely square of dark dark chocolate... I didn't realize I had totally black teeth and gums until I shut the door and smiled at my husband... he did a double-take and said "what's wrong with your teeth?!" :-)

 

56 y.o. with possible dual diagnoses that I am working to confirm this year: Ankylosing Spondylitis and Scleroderma, and minor Psoriasis.

yes, I take vit K1 to stem blood loss, but, I believe vitk2lcan be toxic.

MS symptoms from 2001, DX RRMS in 2008, following, a change of hospital who sent me for an MRI, precipitated by some sight loss. Took Interferons, on and off. Prescribed  chemo infusions to slow pro

Hi Lizzie!

I've taken Vitamin K2-MK4 (Menaquinone-4) for years.  Originally, I started with K2-MK7, but switched to the -MK4 form after reading some research coming out of Japan.  

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23702931

 

I use a variety of brands: 

--Relentless Improvement (expensive, but good... and it has 15 mg (Not MICROgrams per capsule)

https://www.amazon.com/Relentless-Improvement-Naturally-Derived-No-Fillers-Science-Based/dp/B00GZVM092/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?keywords=vitamin+k2+mk4&qid=1562943382&s=gateway&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1

--Carlson (cheaper, still good, but has only 5 mg. per capsule)

 

This is a great question, Lizzie.... I haven't updated myself about Vitamin K for years.  I have to re-think which kind I'm taking... maybe I'll start taking both the -MK4 and the -MK7

https://www.amazon.com/Carlson-Vitamin-MK-4-Menatetrenone-Capsules/dp/B001LF39V0/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=vitamin+k2+mk4&qid=1562943482&s=gateway&sr=8-4

56 y.o. with possible dual diagnoses that I am working to confirm this year: Ankylosing Spondylitis and Scleroderma, and minor Psoriasis.

Hi Tuftyone,

yes, I have gut issues! I’ve always had gut issues, they weren’t caused by the protocol, but, I think, disbiosis was greatly worsened because I can’t take probiotics without getting terrible fatigue, but the ABX was killing gut bacteria and I was doing nothing to help! I’m advised that the fatigue is because of the imbalance of, and the disruption to, my gut biome. I realised I showed my gut little respect so began to be gentle with it. I take digestive drops before every meal, i’m slim, now learning I have a very overactive thyroid, so thought my extremely good diet was fine, but eating a family sized bar of chocolate each day, adding honey to sweeten my mint tea was undoing all the good work! 

Try cutting out sugar rich alcohols, all sugars for a while (this is hard! And being kind to your gut! It knows what it should do! Try gluten free, if you eat it, it helped me!

good luck,

Jane

MS symptoms from 2001, DX RRMS in 2008, following, a change of hospital who sent me for an MRI, precipitated by some sight loss. Took Interferons, on and off. Prescribed  chemo infusions to slow pro

I’ve been gluten free, dairy free, alcohol free, reduced sugar for years now and yet my tests show real mineral deficiencies, and my OATS test shows acids all over the place, plus Candida. This has all resulted in a chemical sensitivity that is preventing me taking abx! I’m sure I’ve read that CPN can invade the gut. Maybe this is to blame 😡

Diagnosed RRMS 1999. No DMDs or other meds. Have done TMJ correction, Candida protocol, CCSVI venoplasty procedure.

I have often wondered if my colon has been infected with Cpn.  Stratton once said, “If you have inflammation, a spider bite, a viral joint infection, viral meningitis or encephalitis, it doesn’t matter what it is, if a Chlamydia-infected cells happens to end up in that inflamed area, you may have just started yourself a Chlamydia farm.”

have a chance to look at the study about capsaicin? What I like about it is that it might have some effect on cpn and also is supposed to relax arteries, from what I have seen online. I'd love feedback from anyone who has problems with athersclerosis from cpn (or anyone else).

I took some cayenne pepper with serrano pepper, and it definitely made me perspire at night.

I think I have a severe case of cpn,in the brain which I got about 8 months ago (Oct. 2018).  

I have a lot of issues with depression, balance, eyesight, ear and teeth problems.  Most important, I have brain shrinkage, and some strange symptoms of that. Does anyone share these issues?

I looked at it briefly.  I have no interest in this personally because I do not want to feel hot and sweat all of the time.  Are you on any treatment yet Jean?  It has been 10 months.  For me, without antibiotics I have serious trouble and my immune system feels like it is on fire.

I noticed on this site that a Dr. Powell recommended taking niacin for cpn many years ago.  I found an article from 2018 that explained why niacin is important to take for athersclerosis caused by bacterial infections.

Does anyone take niacin for cpn? I would appreciate your thoughts.

He also recommended taking melatonin.

 

Thanks. 

I think I have a severe case of cpn,in the brain which I got about 8 months ago (Oct. 2018).  

I have a lot of issues with depression, balance, eyesight, ear and teeth problems.  Most important, I have brain shrinkage, and some strange symptoms of that. Does anyone share these issues?

I take melatonin to help me get to sleep, but not niacin apart from what you get in a multivitamin because it can make you look as though you have rosacea!

Completed Stratton/Wheldon regime for aggressive secondary progressive MS in June 2007, after four years, three of which intermittent.   Still improving bit by bit and no relapses since finishing treatment.