Site Issues

1.  When I look for 'recent posts', I am not looking for the beginning of that thread, which may have been posted (originally) many years ago.  I am looking for the most recent posts at the top of a list and the rest of the 'recent' posts listed in order of most recent at the top, second most recent below that, etc.  We're accustomed to seeing the newest posts first .

2.  Original posts, such as the one I am now initiating, should clearly show on the original post, WHO authored them. It's confusing when you can't identify the author of a post unless you leave the post and go look at a 'recent posts' list.  (I am MacKintosh, by the way, everyone.)

3,  Kent, if you look at my post announcing the site upgrades were about to be made, you will see (at the present time) three pages of posts attached to the announcement.  Many of the responses don't make any sense, including a couple of your own, because the 'organizational tree' of those responses isn't logical.  RESPONSES to a specific comment should appear below that comment, not in a running list of all comments.  "I fixed that" is one of your comments, yet it isn't clear what you fixed, or who you're answering.  -- I might say "I hate that" in response to someone, but it will appear later, under an unrelated comment and it won't make sense or it will appear I hate someone's Aunt Matilda, because she was referenced in a comment in the queue somewhere else.

4.  Can't the Conversation label simply say Private Messaging or Member Messaging?  We aren't accustomed to 'Conversation' and if the label can be changed, it should be changed, so longtime members don't have to learn new tricks.

5. 'Improved' is far better than 'new and improved'.  People who use this site come here addle-brained, hampered by cognitive issues, often panic-stricken and in time-sensitive situations with doctors and medications.  They need the simplest, most straightforward, visually clear site that can be created.

Pages cluttered with more information, more columns, more typefaces, more of anything and everything, is NOT desirable.  Keeping the site similar to the old one and familiar for visually or cognitively impaired people IS desirable. Blocking fictitious members is desirable, changing the organization and presentation of the recent posts list is not desirable.  (I am no longer brain-fogged but I am certainly finding navigation of the site confusing and unrewarding.

6.  Can you please publish a brand new post, outlining what has been done thus far and what you still anticipate providing to us?  Members of the site will likely be more patient if they are told what's going on.  We have a number of members who are web designers.  They might be able to offer constructive advice if they were told where we are in this process.

 

Hi Patricia, thank you for your post.

1.  Recent content now only shows posts in order of create

2.  Forum posts now display author and time

3.  Nested comments are now honoured

4. Messaging is now working.  Yes, the messages are still messages but they are grouped inside conversations

5. We are trying our best to get the various views similar to what they were before.  Users can change their own theme appearance.  See my signature.

6.   I have started a new post here

To change the colors of your personal theme on cpnhelp.org go to My Account, edit, and select Mayo. Then choose a color scheme!

Thank you so much, Kent!

The difference between what we do and what we are capable of doing would suffice to solve most of the world’s problems. Mohandas Gandhi

Kent, I was pleasantly surprised to see something actually happening this afternoon, but you haven't quite got there yet.  You maybe don't know what Pat means by 'nested comments' but the ones on this site are certainly not 'sorted.'

Private messages are very important to many people on his site, whereas the word 'conversations' is a thing of the moment, here today, gone the next., like mini phones a few years ago.  Many sites  use private messaging, and 'private means 'private' so please try to get a module for it.

I wasn't terribly happy to see that you had gone into my account and changed my theme to Mayo, which I was using at first for a few days.  I do think that non-serif text reds better on a monitor, though, whereas serifs look better on a typewritten page, so no complaints there.

Completed Stratton/Wheldon regime for aggressive secondary progressive MS in June 2007, after four years, three of which intermittent.   Still improving bit by bit and no relapses since finishing treatment.

Sarah, can you check.   I think you'll find that comments are now correctly nested/threaded.

I've renamed Conversations to Messages. You will still need to start a conversation so that your messages do not end up being mixed up, but are grouped within the people you are messaging.

I've set the default font to sans serif.

To change the colors of your personal theme on cpnhelp.org go to My Account, edit, and select Mayo. Then choose a color scheme!

Please help, I can't find the "search" section. It is such an important tool and it saves me starting a whole new thread on something that has already been discussed. Today I wanted to look up "Taurine" as I'm worried I'm having a bad reaction to it. I wanted to see if other people use it and how helpful it is. I don't want to ask if there is already a thread about it. Thank you for this wonderful website, I hope the "search" section is somewhere, please let me know.

Thanks again!

The search function was definitely there the other day - as I used it, and was disappointed it wasn't giving me any results for something I know for certain was there in a past thread. You're right though - mine has disappeared now too.

Neuro symptoms & many health problems from 1989. NAC+all supps(04/11) CAP(05/11)

I will say again that these are all things which should have been checked before the site was made live. Don't  expect ill people to do the work for you.

Completed Stratton/Wheldon regime for aggressive secondary progressive MS in June 2007, after four years, three of which intermittent.   Still improving bit by bit and no relapses since finishing treatment.

Kent, call them 'nested' or 'threaded' but they are all over the place, datewise.  The newest comment/answer on any forum should be right at the top, immediately under the original question.

Completed Stratton/Wheldon regime for aggressive secondary progressive MS in June 2007, after four years, three of which intermittent.   Still improving bit by bit and no relapses since finishing treatment.

Sarah, you had the old site set up differently for you than I did, if I remember correctly: you chose a flat list of replies, whereas I preferred threaded.  I guess you also had them in the reverse order; that meant that you could just look at the top for the new content, whereas I had to scan through a threaded conversation for the little red tags saying "new".  I can't do that any more: the tags aren't there.  The URL right now for me ends with "#new", and I think that is supposed to start me at the first new post, as happened on the old site, but the "new" tag doesn't exist, so I just start at the top of the page.

Anyway, that's one feature of the old site I don't miss: the way that people could configure flat versus threaded views, so that different people were looking at different views of the conversation.  Your flat view didn't tell you who was responding to whom, yet other people would see replies indented directly under the posts being responded to, and would assume that everybody knew that, say, person A's short retort was a response to B and not to C.  It's better for this sort of thing if the website chooses, so that everybody sees the same version of the conversation.  (And while I chose "threaded", it did make it a bit of a pain to find new replies, and the current broken "new" stuff is of course even worse.)

I agree with you Norman, about the fact that the configuration of the threads being the choice of the site, so that you know everyone is seeing the same thing, but the way this site is organised at the moment is completely irritating, although having said that, the next time I look, things could be different.  Btu then, these are things that should have been sorted out before the site was made live, as I keep saying.

Completed Stratton/Wheldon regime for aggressive secondary progressive MS in June 2007, after four years, three of which intermittent.   Still improving bit by bit and no relapses since finishing treatment.

The old site had newer comments appearing after older comments.  Was there a way to configure it so that some people could view the newer comments first?

I'll certainly look into the NEW links.  They  should take you to at least one of the new comments.

 

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Kent, you seem to have done something right: keep it up, but please give us some really private messages.

Also, give us the ability to change the title of edited posts: the title of this one doesn't make sense.

 

 

Completed Stratton/Wheldon regime for aggressive secondary progressive MS in June 2007, after four years, three of which intermittent.   Still improving bit by bit and no relapses since finishing treatment.

Private messages are in place in My Account under messages.  As Patricia has rightly pointed out we are missing an alert when a new message has arrived and some of the functions are not clear so I'll be working on those next.

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In recent content, new posts on a thread are not bringing that thread up above old threads.

 

Neuro symptoms & many health problems from 1989. NAC+all supps(04/11) CAP(05/11)

I did have that set but people complained about posts that were several years old appearing on the list.  The recent comments block is immediately under it.  I'm not sure what to do here...

To change the colors of your personal theme on cpnhelp.org go to My Account, edit, and select Mayo. Then choose a color scheme!

This forum pretty regularly has someone coming in, reading an old thread, and posting a new reply to it.  It's not good to ignore such replies, which is what happens the way things are set now.  Some forums frown on such "necro bumping" of threads, but I don't think there's a good reason for that.  If an old thread really attracts trolls or spammers, it can be locked; and part of being a serious discussion site is the ability to re-examine old points of view.

As for the number of posts to display on the "recent posts" page, on the old site there were about twenty, and then you could click on a "next page" button at the bottom to keep going.  If there is just to be one page, I'd suggest sixty as a start.  With more posts there, it doesn't matter if "necro bumped" posts take up slots.

I've reinstated the Recent Content so that it also displays posts with recent comments and I've increased the number to 20.  I hope this works as expected.

To change the colors of your personal theme on cpnhelp.org go to My Account, edit, and select Mayo. Then choose a color scheme!

Are we limited to just 10 threads in recent content? A few days ago, there were loads, over 9 pages, but that disappeared again. As I think a lot of us tend to use recent content as our homepage on the site, more than just the 10 threads would be good. If you missed looking on the site for a couple of weeks, you could miss some posts altogether.

Neuro symptoms & many health problems from 1989. NAC+all supps(04/11) CAP(05/11)

The old site had a choice box at the end of each forum post which allowed you to choose between flat and threaded views, and I believe also the order.  The choice applied globally, so I just set it once and forgot about it.  (Except that maybe it didn't apply to "blogs", or maybe it didn't and then later it was changed so that it did?  I forget the details.)  Anyway, I'll defer to Sarah's preferences; she and DW are Royalty here

https://www.flamewarriorsguide.com/warriorshtm/royals.htm

and either flat or threaded is fine with me; I just want it to be the same for everybody, whichever it is.

There's only one piece of discussion software that I've heard of that both (1) shows you who was replying to whom, and (2) puts all the new replies in the same place so as to make finding them easier, and that's Discourse (https://www.discourse.org/).  It also has the right sort of programmers behind it, so it's a newer, tighter piece of code, and it does have a Drupal import module, though I don't know how well that works.  It's probably a bit late to suggest migration now, but perhaps for the next big upgrade.

Norman, I had better make sure that David doesn't see that first link until I have cut his hair because it might go to his head, but the second one looks very interesting!

Completed Stratton/Wheldon regime for aggressive secondary progressive MS in June 2007, after four years, three of which intermittent.   Still improving bit by bit and no relapses since finishing treatment.

Kent, apart from the fact that the site says I am unauthorized to start a new blog, the place for new members to join seems to have vanished, just after I told someone who is waiting that the site seemed to be recovering.

Completed Stratton/Wheldon regime for aggressive secondary progressive MS in June 2007, after four years, three of which intermittent.   Still improving bit by bit and no relapses since finishing treatment.

If you click on Create New Account in the login block you will go to http://cpnhelp.org/cpnhelp/signup .  The old url I have disabled since this is a target of spam bots. That url had user/register in the parameters.  This site seems to be a very specific target for spammers and even in Drupal 8 they are finding their way in.  To combat that, I may look at further devices such as randomly created register page urls and changing the label Create New Account to something else.  I would ask you in future to direct your prospective members to the website to get them to click on the appropriate link in the login block on the home page.

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I learnt long ago not to write directly to cpn help webpages but to draught my text on a notepad and then paste it in when completed. When I try to do this just now it said my browser was not configured to paste.

Another one to sort out.

I do everything on my mobile phone these days. Do you realise that everything ends up in a narrow column on the right hand side of the page and as the threads get longer the columns get narrower. Very irksome to have to read. The other thing that occurs is that the right half of the page can be dark brown.

G.

“Don't believe everything you read on the internet.”

―    Abraham Lincoln

Hi Supaguy, I've added in a whole bunch of functions into the editor.  You can import in from Word or from text and cut and paste and copy and indent.

Also fixed the mobile view (up to 767px wide) so that there are no indents and fixed the width so it looks better.

To change the colors of your personal theme on cpnhelp.org go to My Account, edit, and select Mayo. Then choose a color scheme!

The complaint about threads which were several years old appearing was because it was happening randomly and not because a recent post had been added to the thread. It is quite common in our site that someone which ask a question in an old thread and it's never caused us any problem when that post leaps to the top.

Is it just me that finds it so inconvenient when a thread with a recent post added doesn't then leap to the top? 

The 'new' which now appears to show a new post is great - but would be even better if clicking on that took you straight to the new post, as used to be the case, instead of to the first post in a thread.

Personally, I'd prefer recent content to be as it was on the old site - I think there were about 20 showing, as Norman has mentioned above, and then you could select next page to keep going.

As things are now, we would never know if someone replied to a post a few months old, as we just wouldn't see it.

I'd love to know if others are happy with the way recent posts are being displayed, and it's just me that's finding it inconvenient, or whether others have given up!

 

Neuro symptoms & many health problems from 1989. NAC+all supps(04/11) CAP(05/11)

I'm happy, Bo, because forums and blogs are working, which is the most important thing especially for people new to the site.

Completed Stratton/Wheldon regime for aggressive secondary progressive MS in June 2007, after four years, three of which intermittent.   Still improving bit by bit and no relapses since finishing treatment.

Good to see the search function back. Thank you! Is it limited to 10 results though? I've just done a few searches and get far more results when I search the site through Google. The resource which past posts give us on this site is immense, so being able to search through everything has always been very important. Many thanks.

Neuro symptoms & many health problems from 1989. NAC+all supps(04/11) CAP(05/11)