Coke damages mitochondria

just in case anyone out there is still drinking it instead of using it to clean the toilet....

http://tinyurl.com/2xeago

 

Interesting article.  Good thing I rarely drink colas of any sort.  I wonder though whether or not sodium benzoate would have the same effect on the mitochondria of higher species than the yeast this researcher used in his study?  Maybe someone more knowledgable could comment on that likelihood or lack thereof? 

all my best

John

RRMS/EDSS was 4.5, now 4.??? on Wheldon Protocol (nac, doxycycline, azithromycin, metronidazole) since 04/12/2006

best, John

RRMS/EDSS was 4.5, 5, 6, 6.5, 6.9999, 6.5 on Wheldon/Stratton Protocol beginning 04/12/2006
nac 4x600 mg/day
doxycycline 2x100mg/day
azithromycin 3x250mg/day MWF
metronidazole 3x400mg/day then 3x500mg/day

Ah, Coca-Cola! I was wondering what idiot could be doing coke and thinking it doesn't damage them. Got it. Must not jump to conclusions when reading, must not jump to conclusions when reading, must not.....

The difference between what we do and what we are capable of doing would suffice to solve most of the world’s problems.  Mohandas Gandhi

The difference between what we do and what we are capable of doing would suffice to solve most of the world’s problems. Mohandas Gandhi

Um, I do sometimes drink coca-cola, but then I am a slightly higher species than yeast........SarahImage removed.   An Itinerary in Light and ShadowStratton/Wheldon regime since August 2003, for very aggressive SPMS.  Intermittent therapy after one year. 2007 still take this, now two weeks every three months, but still slowly improving and no exacerbation since starting. EDSS was about 7, now 2.
Completed Stratton/Wheldon regime for aggressive secondary progressive MS in June 2007, after four years, three of which intermittent.   Still improving bit by bit and no relapses since finishing treatment.

Sodium benzoate is in a lot of food products. But before trying to avoid them all, I'd like to hear what the doses are that produced damaging effects, as compared to the doses achievable from drinking Coke or whatever.

"All things are poison and nothing is without poison; only the dose permits something not to be poisonous." -- Paracelsus

There's a response to the article here    http://tinyurl.com/2bytym

At the moment they seem to be mainly concerned about children drinking large amounts but no doubt their further tests will be on perfectly healthy people, not those whose mitochondria are already stressed by illness or CAPs.

Elinor ..... from England  on CAP, doxy/roxi/tini  for ME/CFS/lyme borreliosis, positive Cpn and borrelia. Started Aug05, stopped Jan06, started again Sept 06.

Elinor ..... from England  on CAP, doxy/roxi/tini  for ME/CFS/lyme borreliosis, positive Cpn and borrelia. Started Aug05, stopped Jan06, started again Sept 06.

MacK....lol

my husband for one- poison is diet coke!!!  for years I have been telling him what I have heard about the effects of aspartame in the brain etc.  He is addicted to that crap.  I get really annoyed with him when I am doing everything I can to be healthy & he is insistant on doing nothing for himself.  He trys for a bit to cut back & then he stops fighting it & succombs to drinking more of it.  Most of the time I don't have the energy to nag him!

With Christ in Faith

Ruth 

CFIDS/ME, FMS, MCS, IBS, EBV, CMV, Cpn, H1, chronic insomnia, Chronic Lyme, HME, Babesia, Natural HRT-menopause, NAC 2.4 gm,Full CAP 6-2-07, all supplements+Iodorol, Inositol-depression, ultra Chitosan, L lysine Pulse#27 04-19-10 1gm Flagyl/day-5 days<

E211? I have avoided all benzoates since I discovered back in the 80's that it was the culprit for my allergic reaction ie. hives, swollen lips, headache, tinnitus.

Antihistamines dealt with the first dramatic occurrence but it took me a year or more to identify the culprit - I had drunk 2 cans of coke one hot afternoon and later thought that I had a recurrence of rubella ;o)). So now I am the person you see in the supermarket attempting to read the ever smaller small print listing ingredients. It's also used in topical creams as a preservative and if I use something containing a benzoate it burns my skin too.

As I have since been dx with progressive MS, to see this thing being linked to neurodegenerative diseases is amazing, given that it is so prevalent in many foodstuffs. This from the original article is far from reassuring now,

"Coca-Cola and Britvic's Pepsi Max and Diet Pepsi all contain sodium benzoate. Their makers and the British Soft Drinks Association said they entrusted the safety of additives to the Government."

I shall continue asking for ordinary tonic - not diet in my vodka! On the bright side makers of elderflower cordial appear to have stopped using this additive now so I don't have to make my own any more.

I am new btw, so hello all.

 Carol

Currently displaying a bad ping rate between brain cells.

speedbird

Welcome, Carol You will make a nice addition to our PPMS (SPMS fits in nicely, too) Clan - when were you diagnosed and are you disabled? I hope you don't mind my bluntness too much - it comes with the territory.

 

Rica PPMS  EDSS 6.7 at beginning - now 2.  Began CAP Sept, 2004 with Rifampin 150 mg 2xd, Doxy 100 mg 2xd, added regular pulses Jan 2005. Jan 2006 switched to Doxy, Azith,  cont. flagyl  total 42 pulses NC USA

3/9 Symptoms returning. Began 5 abx protocol 5/9 Rifampin 600, Amox 1000, Doxy 200, MWF Azith 250, flagyl 1000 daily. Began Sept 04 PPMS EDSS 6.7 Now good days EDSS 1 Mind, like parachute, work only when open. Charlie Chan  In for the duration.&am

Thanks for the welcome Ricca. I was dx Dec 06 - 2 weeks before my 58th birthday and 1 month after my wedding, so as you can guess last year was eventful to say the least. I had also recently moved 200 or so miles - that was a nightmare drive too with 2 cats on board and having to stop for the loo often- so everything got delayed and my new GP had to give me the news, poor soul.

I had no suspicions about MS so it was a bolt from the blue, I had just thought that I needed more excercise -duh. My walk is of the drunken kind and I can fall over a feather, in fact I managed to fracture a rib 2 weeks before my wedding ( I didn't know that then!). So I am still upright but get very tired easily and have had chronic pain around my coccyx for nearly 10 years now following gynae surgery. Lots of things over my life point to a slow insidious onset, so although the neuro said "probably" primary I suspect that it may be secondary; but whatever, it's progressive now.

Along with using LDN my aim now is to halt progression if nothing else and as the neuro had nothing to offer me I hope to try the CAP - I will not fade away quietly. Can you tell that I am angry about all this ?

Currently displaying a bad ping rate between brain cells.

speedbird

Three comments:

1)  It's amazing that Mr. and Mrs. Piper actually named their son Peter.

2)  In the 1980's, I visited the Coca-Cola syrup plant in Dallas several times on business.  It was easy to observe that the stuff ate through the epoxy coating and the concrete on the plant floor.  Another problem I was told of was that it ate through the cast-iron drain piping connected to the floor drains in the plant.

3)  I've never been inclined to drink many soft drinks.  Even as a child, I noticed that I felt bad after drinking them.

 

Joyce~caregiver-advocate in Dallas for Steve J (SPMS) / Cpn indicated by reactions; Mpn, EBV, CMV positive; elevated heavy metals; gluten+casein sensitive / Wheldon CAP since Aug. '06 - doxycycline+azithromycin+flagyl pulses; antivirals; chelation; LDN.

Joyce~caregiver-advocate in Dallas for Steve J (SPMS).  CAP since August 06, Cpn, Mpn, B. burgdorferi, systemic candidiasis, EBV, CMV & other herpes family viral infections, elevated heavy metals, gluten+casein sensitivity. 

Carol, you have told us basically good news, in my opinion. I think that the earlier you start this wild regimen the more recovery you will have and an easier time. Please don't fall into the trap of thinking that you will have a really easy time and can be slack because that just gives this very nasty, creative, inventive bug a chance to recoup and think(?) of a new way to make our lives miserable. Obviously, I take this very personally. Get 'em while they're down! I can tell you from experience that they show NO mercy!

 

Rica PPMS  EDSS 6.7 at beginning - now 2.  Began CAP Sept, 2004 with Rifampin 150 mg 2xd, Doxy 100 mg 2xd, added regular pulses Jan 2005. Jan 2006 switched to Doxy, Azith,  cont. flagyl  total 42 pulses NC USA

3/9 Symptoms returning. Began 5 abx protocol 5/9 Rifampin 600, Amox 1000, Doxy 200, MWF Azith 250, flagyl 1000 daily. Began Sept 04 PPMS EDSS 6.7 Now good days EDSS 1 Mind, like parachute, work only when open. Charlie Chan  In for the duration.&am

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3/9 Symptoms returning. Began 5 abx protocol 5/9 Rifampin 600, Amox 1000, Doxy 200, MWF Azith 250, flagyl 1000 daily. Began Sept 04 PPMS EDSS 6.7 Now good days EDSS 1 Mind, like parachute, work only when open. Charlie Chan  In for the duration.&am

Hi Carol, I've been working so hard I feel like saying something irrelevant and silly, but when you make elderflower cordial does it make you feel like you have had a bit to much to drink?  I've just noticed an elder tree in full bloom down the bottom end of the garden which wasn't there last year.  We make elderberry wine as well and it must have come from one of the pips........Sarah   An Itinerary in Light and ShadowStratton/Wheldon regime since August 2003, for very aggressive SPMS.  Intermittent therapy after one year. 2007 still take this, now two weeks every three months, but still slowly improving and no exacerbation since starting. EDSS was about 7, now 2.
Completed Stratton/Wheldon regime for aggressive secondary progressive MS in June 2007, after four years, three of which intermittent.   Still improving bit by bit and no relapses since finishing treatment.

Sarah, 

"when you make elderflower cordial does it make you feel like you have had a bit to much to drink?"

Only if you make a white wine spritzer with a dash of cordial and drink it! While making it the kitchen is full of the heady perfume from the blossoms, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that I felt drunk. Now making christmas puddings with guinness, brandy and cointreau - that's a different matter!

Caz 

Currently displaying a bad ping rate between brain cells. Progressive MSi dx 12/06 started LDN 3/07; not yet started CAP.

speedbird

Oh, I must just be more susceptible than some!  Because of the CO2 bubbles in champagne, I only need one glass.   Is the guinness, brandy and cointreau all in one pudding or three separate ones?.......Sarah   An Itinerary in Light and ShadowStratton/Wheldon regime since August 2003, for very aggressive SPMS.  Intermittent therapy after one year. 2007 still take this, now two weeks every three months, but still slowly improving and no exacerbation since starting. EDSS was about 7, now 2.
Completed Stratton/Wheldon regime for aggressive secondary progressive MS in June 2007, after four years, three of which intermittent.   Still improving bit by bit and no relapses since finishing treatment.

Champagne has much the same effect on me, but I persevere with it. :o))

Yes all that alcohol goes in the same pudding; the cointreau addition was an experiment a few years ago but now is standard because it brings out the citrus taste in the pudding. This is old Granny Sheekey's recipe, my grandma from Dublin and I used to help my mum make it as a child. With all that alcohol there is no need for any preservatives at all, so I know that it is safe to eat - no benzoates!

Currently displaying a bad ping rate between brain cells. Progressive MSi dx 12/06 started LDN 3/07; not yet started CAP.

speedbird