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I have Chronic Intestinal pains that I wont let them give me a dx on.. they settle on IBS- C as a result..Chrohn's and UC have been tried on.. I do have damage.  I just dont buy their reasoning.   They'd like me to scope again or try some more drugs.  Prednisone makes me sick, antibiotics seem to make me well and then after about 3 weeks Im super sick again.  Super sick can mean, so dizzy I have a hard time standing.. muscle weakness. Slight tremors on detailed work (like focusing a microscope) joint pain (I have a Fibromyalgia dx as well. and Endometriosis) or an intestine that literally refuses to move.  I also have multiple food sensitivites and sugar brings on feelings just like  NAC -- hulda clark says NAC is active on Stronglyoides too.. for whatever that is worth. I do not have MS that I know of. Here is a picture  

PS.. hubby did see a doctor on Thursday who offered him an inhaler and testing for asthma or airborne allergies.. she also told him to purchase a humidifier. 

One thing about Cpn is that it doesn't actually infect red blood cells, at least not in the sense of being able to grow or reproduce in them, like malaria does.  Cpn needs a cell with mitochondria to be able to grow, since for its energy supply it steals ATP from the host.  Red blood cells don't have mitochondria or a nucleus; they're basically just bags of hemoglobin.  The EBs in Stratton's picture (which your picture does resemble quite a bit) are just sticking to the red blood cell and sitting there; it's not a productive part of their life cycle, just something that happens to them sometimes.  So if you see something actively invading a red blood cell, it isn't Cpn.   Also, the 30 minutes between your two videos isn't long enough for Cpn to grow much, even if it did grow outside of host cells, which it doesn't.  (Its normal life cycle lasts 72 hours or more.)There is a considerable art to interpreting microscope images.  Unfortunately it's an art I know little about, so can't provide much in the way of tips.  But one thing you might do is to try looking at blood from someone healthy, so as to get a baseline that you can compare against.In any case, Cpn is such a common pathogen that it's reasonable to suspect it even if one doesn't have much evidence.

Thank you Norman!  i appreciate your response it makes alot of sense.  most of what I thought was invasion was probably Chylomicrons or different lipids as my husband had eaten close to the times I was noticing so many of them in his blood.. I dont know if the cells get to be more or if they are in pockets.  Ive been trying to watch them more closely after the blood stops moving.  I think in the beginning everything just looked so wrong and Im not a scientist so it is hard to understand or describe what Im seeing.  That's why I was hoping those pictures would be of some use.  Regardless of if they are for cpn or not, I still love looking at things through the microscope and am glad the look alike led me to this information  The thing is Im pretty onboard with the antibiotic protocol.. I just need to try and understand which order one hits coinfections if there are any.  I tried searching the forum and cant find much.  From what I can understand the antibiotics would not be effective against all stages of nematode.. and I need Albenza and Ivermectin too.  Do I take those concurrently?  stagger them?

Wow, Sadie!  Your response seems to have answerd the question in the OP!!  To my eye, those look like the infamous 'CPN' pics we have all seen a million times, I think even on this site! (You posted it above, with the purple luminescence from Dr. Stratton.) Because I was initially very curious about this, I hope someone with a bit of experience in identifying it on a slide might respond and ID it positively or explain what we're seeing if it's not CPN.Those are some impressive photos.  Do you mind sharing what equipment/camera software you used?  They are really clear!What are you doing right now?  Do you have a plan?  Have you found  a physician who'll work with you?  I'd say in any case, find out more about what's going on with your health.    

Evidently this is Mycoplasma Pneumonia.  Im sure things can look very different through an electron microscope then darkfield.  The Townsend letter has these pics of Mycoplasma Pneumoniahttp://www.townsendletter.com/Oct2006/bradfibro41006.htm I found a Lyme Literate Doctor and it was confirmed via test, positive is greater then 320 and mine was at 680.  I am also positive for bands 23 and 39 for Lyme, Strep.. and we havent got the stool tests back yet.  I tested negative for CPN. I think I will be treating Lyme and all co infections with IV antibiotics.  Likely, Vanco and a couple thrown in for good measure. Just wanted to update.

Many negatives for CPn are false negatives.

Hi SadieThanks for the updaate.  A very interesting link too.  I too think i have lyme.   So will follow your progress as and  when i can.  I take it you now think you have mycoplasma from the pics and your microscope work?  I came up -ve for that, but i am not discouting anything as yet.  It is certainly true of lyme that when it is v chronic, it can show up less and as tx progresses, it can show up more in tests. Dont forget to treat all the forms of lyme, all the stages and the biofilms too.  Not familiar with vanco, myself. Pox 

Sadie, your story so far is fasinating. I think you ought to run a few experiments of your own. First, you have NAC, mine comes in capsule form and inside is a white powder. Open the capsule and, once you get a slide with what could be EBs, introduce a little NAC to the blood and see what happens; see if those little mine things change or explode.  Next, if you get some blood where you think the EB has invaded a cell and has converted to the RB form, introduce some doxy and see if the RB turns into a CB (cryptic body, the hybernating form).   Lastly, if you get what you think are CBs in a cell, introduce some metronidazole and see if that kills the CB - it's suppose to. If all this happens you would be confirming what DW has seen and his protocal, and it would be good for you to start it, and, of course, post your results. 

Wow, I had a long post encouraging Sadie to run some experiments but now it's gone! What happened?  I suggested that she add some NAC to her slides and see if the EB get destroyed.  I would like to hear what happens. 

Its on page 2!!I have just discovered that if i click the blue, new post words then i go directly to the post.  Helps a bit, when i remember!!

Louise, I do not doubt it! These pathogens are so sneaky.. But because I can't find that cpn pic in stratton's deck and I've found several live blood analysis pics and videos as well as the Townsend letter that look very similar as well and cite mycoplasma pneumonia.. And I popped so highly positive on it via lab Corp testing.. I'm going with that is what I'm seeing. My blood is full of it so it should have caught it. I think the large amount of them would have been caught.. You see how many I have in some pics...

Norman, I think he made a mistake then. http://www.immed.org/infectious%20disease%20reports/InfectDiseaseReport…. I really respect Dr Nicholson.

4plexman. I have Nac and flagyl.. Maybe I'll play around this week. I'm playing with drawing blood from as close to my pain sites as possible.. I'm trying to catch the Lyme... Never seen it through my scope.

My only thought is that I broke it open with the crap ton of profeolytics I was taking at the time and Cats claw. The cats claw definitely unlocked something as it completely paralyzed my gut.

So my question is.. How do I intro the Nac? I was thinking about using the flagyl but was going to shave some off, crush it and sprinkle it before placing the slide cover.. I also thought about buying some special needle thin probe I could intro it through..

If you have the patience, you could try it dry, as you say, dissolved in a little water, dissolved in saliva or citric acid.  Just a thought.  It needs to touch, so maybe dry would be better,  No idea really.  The probe   sounds good.

I still have no id on the worm.  Stool tests were supposed to be back 5 days ago.. so I know they are trying to figure out something about what they are seeing.   Here  they are in brightfield, by the way...

Does the NAC come in capsule form? Mine does. I can open the capsule and poor the white powder out - hopefully you can do the same. maybe a needle could be used to add NAC to the sample.

we shall see..  I also swear Ive found something like giardia.. even though they say giardia is not in the human blood.  I dont understand if maybe through the mechanism of leaky gut it can.. since I have such digestive problems, doesnt that mean my system is open to things being in the wrong places?  Ive looked and looked for other flagellates that look like this... That's another reason Id been thinking of playing with the Flagyl..   Its hard to get a clear picture, note the bean shaped thing with the two tentacles coming off of the indentation, not the rounded side.. is what Im talking about.. I also have found reference to biflagellate secondary zoospores of the oomycota.  This is likely what it is but there are over 500 of them and I cant figure out which ones might inhabit humans. 

So when are you going to do CAP?  Louise

Hope i am not going off track here but...  It looks a bit like you have the beginnings of roulleau too, as a lot of us have.  I have quite bad stacked or coined red bld cells and tried quite hard to get this proven by the nhs.  I didnt, but wish during CAP tx i had done something more for this, ideally.  I read work by Dr Chia (I think) re the TH1/TH2 shift, and one of his tx's was heparin.  It does make sence to me that if the red bld cells are not separate and working properly, then they cannot do what they should ie, transport oxygen, nutrients, hormones, immune cells... and of course the precious abx that we need.  I do wonder if some sort of blood thinnner would help CAP.  I cnat myself take asprin, but i took nattokinase, which hopefully helped a bit. By the way - as Louise said above have you started CAP or NAC as yet?  It may be that most of these nasties need the same or similar abx.  Not that i know much of course.    

I definitely have rouleaux.  Luckily my sed rate is still 11 tho (did you know that is how "they" measure rouleaux?)  Ive added my proteolytics back in and my blood is moving much better but still far from perfect Ive started NAC.  Im up to 2400mg a day.  Infact, I was only up to 1200 a day when I went to see my doc and he told me I needed to get up to 2400mg.  I was surprised he didnt take me off everything I was on.  Instead, he has left me on everything Im doing because he doesnt want to change anything while we get the test results back.  I think we are planning on trying to sneak up on all these bastard bugs and hit them hard and fast.  But the Rheumy is much like Dark Vadar and is holding his cards close to his chest right now.  I dont think hed ever had anyone in his office so happy to get such crappy test results.  I just want to know what I have so we can kick its ass!  Im so relieved to know what to hit.  Or atleast some of the places to start.  I have no illusions that testing is going to uncover all of them. I found a very innovative Lyme Literate MD.  He is the one who caught the Lyme that wasnt on my radar.  We are waiting for results back on co-infections and then I will start IV antibiotics.  I really wanted someone to walk the path with me, so Im very very thankful that I was able to find this doctor.  Id like to do IV first and then a longer protocol of orals.  He also caught that I have both MTHFR mutations,  c677t and A1298C.  This is a HUGE piece of chronic disease.  For me, my detox pathways are completely blocked.  I think that is why I herx soooo severely.  I do not sweat.  He added b12, methyl cobalamin 5000 mcg sublingual and L-5-methyltetrahydrofolate starting at 1000 and ramping up +1000mcg a week to 5000.  I am sweating now!  Smelly, stinky, almost constant sweating.  Im also clearing my biofilms right now with enzymes and gentle chelation to try to make the treatment as successfull as possible.  Im managing the illness load with Olive leaf, Monolaurin and Nac maintenence.http://holisticprimarycare.net/topics/topics-a-g/functional-medicine/13… I guess the challenge is that I also have a known chronic strep infection, mycoplasma infection and Lyme. I really do believe the image above is some weird zoospore.. and I want to make sure we have a game plan forBacteriaFungis/MoldNematodeAlso, what about common lyme coinfections like Bartonella, Babesia, etc? Im really hoping not to be positive for toxoplasmosis gondi or any malarial type bugs.  Because its such a multifaceted issue and we are dealing with so many different bugs, I appreciate that Im in a holding patttern until we have more info next week.   Hopefully we will start IV abx 2 mondays from now.

Hi , i am new here.  This is interesting.  I am also fed up with doctors and bought a scope and this is what i saw....