Research Articles

Research Articles

These pages on research articles are now reorganized into separate pages for each category. Doing this has been needed for some time, but it is with some trepidation we do this because in some diseases the research is very equivocal and incomplete. While you may be on this site for MS, CFS or FMS, it is the pattern of ALL the research that provides the depth and impressive volume about CPn and how it causes chronic human disease that makes the picture clear. Don't make the mistake of thinking this is some new idea or that it has only a few studies just because it is relatively unknown in one field and the page on your specific disease includes only a couple of studies. This is as significant to human disease as understanding staphylococcus, only we are talking in this case about chlamydia pneumoniae. Information about the germ applies and transfers from one field to the next: the important thing is to understand the pathogen and how it reacts in the body. Of interest you will find the material in the general, clamydia pneumoniae bacterial research, and the cardiac sections provide a very great depth. Read these sections in addition to the one related to your disease and you will be miles ahead. Of course I recommend reading all of this stuff it is interesting! And hey we can add to this with so much room now so send along anything you think ought to go in.... Marie

 

General information : read this section for general information on chlamydia pneumoniae

Chronic Fatigue and Fibromyalgia 

Multiple Sclerosis

Alzheimers and CPn Cardiovascular Issues and Chlamydia pneumoniae

Please do read THIS material even if you are here for something other than cardiovascular problems!

Arthritis and Chlamydia pneumoniae

Respiratory Issues and Chlamydia including asthma

CPn and other diseases Lots of interesting stuff here! 

Interstitial cystitis, prostate enlargement...…….check it out, but we seem to have lost the links!

Lab analysis of Chlamydia Pneumoniae This is an important read for everyone

Antibiotic research in CPn This section contains links and abstracts of research on how antibiotics affect CPn in different stages as well as research on how the antibiotics recommended for CAPs penetrate various tissues.

Porphyria and CAPs

Endotoxin Research Of interest to the person in treatment

Chlamydia Pneumoniae Bacterial Research Don't miss this section no matter what you are here for!

Supplements Research and monographs for Natural substances usd in the protocols

Vitamin D Vitamin d is now on its own page

Chlamydia Pneumoniae Miscellaneous related material

Polymicrobial Aspects /Research This section is for the curious and serious investigator and will be of less interest to those who just want to do the treatment. It has become clear that there are some important implications for the person infected with more than one pathogen and that this is common. The combination of one or more pathogens that live and "work" symbiotically may possibly be the key to how people can have something like MS.

 

 

mrhodes40 Wed, 2005-08-24 20:38

Alzheimers and Chlamydia Pneumoniae

Alzheimers and Chlamydia Pneumoniae

CPn infection promotes transmigration of monocytes through human brain endothelial cells

Chlamydophyla (chlamydia)pneumoniae in the AD brain More work by Brian Balin. Once again we see very good evidence of CPn being a neural pathogen.

Chlamydia pneumoniae in the alzheimers brain This work is on AD but the authors discovered CPn in the cells of the brain near the AD plaques. This should help establish CPn as a potentially neural pathogen

-Chlamydia pneumoniae in the Alzheimer's brain varies with APOE genotype The APOE genotype apparently interacts with CPn in alzheimers patients carrying that genotype. This suggests an interesting theory: that a bacteria is not the same in every person in terms of effects but rather an interaction between genes and bugs results in the pathology an individual experiences. This is a whole new understanding of how we interact with our environment.

The Balin research related to CPn in Alzheimer's Disease This list of research abstracts with links is an important study for anyone interested in CPn in the brain. Of note, this researcher like Dr Sriram also finds CPn in the brain consistently when others do not. This is likely due to the fact that both VU and Balin use frozen, not formalin fixed, tissue.

High prevalence of CPn antibodies in vascular dementia While VD is not alzheimers it is another indication that CPn has an affinity for cerebral tissue and is related to loss of brain integrity

mrhodes40 Sat, 2006-06-03 16:11

Chlamydophila pneumoniae cultured from the late-onset Alzheimer brain

27 Apr 2018
Author
Jim K
Title

Chlamydophila pneumoniae cultured from the late-onset Alzheimer brain

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Int J Med Microbiol. 2008 Sep 29. [Epub ahead of print]Click here to read Initial characterization of Chlamydophila (Chlamydia) pneumoniae cultured from the late-onset Alzheimer brain. Dreses-Werringloer U, Bhuiyan M, Zhao Y, Gérard HC, Whittum-Hudson JA, Hudson AP. Department of Immunology and Microbiology, Wayne State University School of Medicine, Gordon H. Scott Hall, 540 East Canfield Avenue, Detroit, MI 48201, USA.

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wow, yikes, good to know, something I have been speculating about.

 

Thanks for the post JimK

peace

 

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Cpn and Alzheimers

27 Apr 2018
Author
raven
Title

Cpn and Alzheimers

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Here is an interesting article about the link between Cpn and Alzheimers: http://tinyurl.com/76bsbyI don't think it has been postted yet--if it has let me know.Raven

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Raven- Glad you found this. I'm going to link it to the Research book as it's a really clear, comprehensible report of Balin's work. Thanks.

Jim, this is a deeply personal issue for me. Here I was on CAP treatment and I couldn't get my mom to consider treatment for my dad who had Alzheimers. Perhaps at that point it would not have made any difference but I sometimes feel I should have really pushed them on the issue. Nothing can be done now but I do miss him.

And I have not had any luck getting my mom to look at her infection. I even made an appointment for her with Dr. P. but she backed out at the last moment with the excuse he didn't take her type of insurance (which was an excuse as she could afford to pay up front). I have been able to get her to take the supplements but she is constantly battling respiratory infections,neurological pain and arthritis.

It has been important for me to accept what is/was and that I could not change it. But I have made a committment to being an activist for others and spreading the word when I can. My heart goes out to all those families who deal with this terrible condition. But from what we know now, there is probably an answer to the problem in the CAP treatment.

Wishing you a great New Year!

Raven

Feeling 98% well-going for 100. Very low test for Cpn. CAP since 8-05 for Cpn/Mycoplasma P.,Lyme, Bartonella, Mold exposure,NAC,BHRT, MethyB12 FIR Sauna. 1-18-11 begin new treatment plan with naturopath

Jim, I never heard back from Balin, but perhaps he's been lurking here. I'll keep sending him info periodically, regardless.

The difference between what we do and what we are capable of doing would suffice to solve most of the world’s problems. Mohandas Gandhi

thanks Raven, I sent this off to my husband, hopefully he reads it as he isn't treating as yet.

Good Job MacK, I hope Dr. Balin is lurking here & I am glad you are sending reminders.

 

peace

r

 

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Little by little this bacterium will reveal its nefarious activity.   Hopefully in time more research will be done about it and the diseases it causes.

Michèle (UK) GFA: Wheldon CAP 1st May 2006. Daily Doxy, Azi MWF, metro pulse.

Arthritis and Chlamydia Pneumoniae

Arthritis and Chlamydia Pneumoniae

Doxycycline versus doxycycline and rifampin in undifferentiated spondyloarthropathy, with special reference to chlamydia-induced arthritis a; 9 month studyA combinaiton protocol is effective here vs a monotherapy.

-Antibiotic treatment of arthritis Osteoarthritis when treated with doxycycline has significantly reduced joint space narrowing 40% better than controls.

Persisitant CPn and Arthritis Great paper overviews the concept of CPn and C. trachomatis as causitive agents in arthritis.

Sjogren's and CPn

mrhodes40 Sat, 2006-06-03 16:23

Chlamydia pneumoniae--a new causative agent of reactive arthritis and undifferentiated oligoarthritis

Chlamydia pneumoniae--a new causative agent of reactive arthritis and undifferentiated oligoarthritis

Find the article at: http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1005260Abstra… examine whether reactive arthritis (ReA) known to occur after a urogenital infection with Chlamydia trachomatis can also follow an infection with Chlamydia pneumoniae, a recently described species of Chlamydiae that is a common cause of respiratory tract infections. METHODS--Specific antibodies (microimmunofluorescence test) and lymphocyte proliferation to C trachomatis and C pneumoniae in paired samples of peripheral blood and synovial fluid were investigated in 70 patients with either reactive arthritis (ReA) or undifferentiated oligoarthritis (UOA). RESULTS--Five patients with acute ReA after an infection with C pneumoniae are reported. Three had a symptomatic preceding upper respiratory tract infection and two had no such symptoms. In all patients a C pneumoniae-specific lymphocyte proliferation in synovial fluid and a high specific antibody titre suggesting an acute infection was found. CONCLUSION--C pneumoniae needs to be considered a new important cause of reactive arthritis. 

Jim K Sat, 2008-10-04 10:12

CPn and other diseases

CPn and other diseases

Burden of infection and insulin resistance in healthy middle aged men This paper finds inflammation and infection related to blood glucose
Cpn in "wet" macular degeneration This article in the lay press details new findings that CPn is responsible for the inflammation seen in AMD. The abstract of the actual research is HERE

Behcets may be CPn related. A disease traditionally thought to be autoimmune is found to have significant titers of CPn.

-Cpn in prostate pathology This research found CPn in prostates with pathology. It even offers the theory that patholgy from hypertrophy to cancer represents different stages of infection.

-Chlamydia Pneumoniae in Interstitial Cystitis Is IC a mystery disease or is it a bacteria? This paper outlines the results of research investigating this.

Interstitial cystitis and CPn Link out to paper on this subject.

Chlamydia pneumoniae and Rosacea

mrhodes40 Sun, 2006-06-04 11:28

Chlamydia pneumoniae in human gingival cells

Chlamydia pneumoniae in human gingival cells
Int Immunopharmacol. 2008 Sep;8(9):1239-47. Epub 2008 May 22

Modulation of cytokine and beta-defensin 2 expressions in human gingival fibroblasts infected with Chlamydia pneumoniae.

Rizzo A, Paolillo R, Buommino E, Lanza AG, Guida L, Annunziata M, Carratelli CR. Department of Experimental Medicine, Section of Microbiology and Clinical Microbiology, Faculty of Medicine and Surgery -Second University of Naples, Naples, Italy. Human beta-defensin 2 is an antimicrobial peptide that is produced by several epithelial cells after stimulation with micro-organisms and inflammatory mediators. Gram-negative bacteria, which are typically detected in periodontal pockets in periodontitis, elicit a stronger antibacterial peptide response of human beta-defensin 2 by epithelial cells. In this study, we investigated whether Chlamydia pneumoniae is able both to enter and grow in human gingival fibroblasts (HGF), to modify the production of cytokines, and is involved in regulation of beta-defensin 2 expression. Gingival fibroblasts discarded from periodontal procedures on healthy young individuals were infected with viable C. pneumoniae or with heat- or ultraviolet-inactivated organisms at a multiplicity of infection of 4 inclusion-forming units per cell. Our results demonstrate that after 48 h of incubation with viable C. pneumoniae, gingival fibroblasts showed a proliferative response as seen by both colorimetric assay and direct cell count (40% and 45%, respectively). Moreover, cells incubated with viable or ultraviolet light-inactivated C. pneumoniae organisms showed an increase in the levels of interleukin-6, interleukin-10 and human beta-defensin 2 in a time-dependent fashion, while the cells infected with heat-killed bacteria did not show a significant production either of the cytokines or beta-defensin 2 at any time. In conclusion, we demonstrate the correlation between multiplication of C. pneumoniae in human gingival fibroblasts and release of interleukin-6, interleukin-10 and up-regulation of beta-defensin 2, suggesting that gingival fibroblasts may be a periodontium niche for obligate intracellular C. pneumoniae and may play a role in innate gingival immune system and inflammatory response mechanisms of periodontitis.

Jim K Sat, 2008-07-12 23:50

Chlamydia pneumoniae infection results in generalized bone loss

Chlamydia pneumoniae infection results in generalized bone loss
 Microbes Infect. 2008 Jun 29. [Epub ahead of print]

Chlamydia pneumoniae infection results in generalized bone loss in mice.

Bailey L, Engström P, Nordström A, Bergström S, Waldenström A, Nordström P. Department of Molecular Biology, Umeå University, SE-90187, Umeå, Sweden. Osteoporosis is associated with a general bone loss. Whether infections could contribute to osteoporosis is not known. Chlamydia pneumoniae causes chronic infections and produces potentially bone resorptive cytokines. The effect of C. pneumoniae infection was investigated in vivo in 10-week old mice (c57BL/6) and in vitro in the human osteoblast-like cell line hFOB 1.19 (hFOB). Bone mineral density (BMD) was measured before and 16 days after infection. C. pneumoniae-infected mice had decreased (p<0.05) total and subcortical BMD at the distal femur and proximal tibia compared with controls, but no body-weight gain differences. IL-6 (56 vs. 39pg/mL, p=0.02) and IL-1beta (11 vs. 0pg/mL, p=0.003) levels in sera, and CD3(+) T-cells (p=0.04) were higher in infected mice compared with controls. In vitro, hFOB infected with C. pneumoniae was associated with increased IL-6 (p=0.01) and RANKL (p<0.05) mRNA expression; additionally, IL-6 secretion increased in a dose-dependent manner (p<0.05). In summary, mice infected with C. pneumoniae had generalized bone loss associated with increased IL-6 and IL-1. In addition, C. pneumoniae established an infection in an osteoblast cell line in vitro with similar cytokine profiles as those in vivo, supporting a causal linkage.

Jim K Mon, 2008-07-28 23:49

Chlamydophila pneumoniae inhibits differentiation of progenitor adipose cells and impairs insulin signaling

Chlamydophila pneumoniae inhibits differentiation of progenitor adipose cells and impairs insulin signaling
 Cpn has been linked to obesity and weight gain, obviously an area of great interest. This is the first piece of research to reveal more about the possible mechanisms: inflammation (suprise, suprise) and impaired insulin signaling. J Infect Dis. 2008 Feb 1;197(3):439-48.Links

Chlamydophila pneumoniae inhibits differentiation of progenitor adipose cells and impairs insulin signaling.

Shi Y, Liu Y, Murdin A, Raudonikiene-Mancevski A, Ayach BB, Yu Z, Fantus IG, Liu PP. Toronto General Hospital Research Institute, Toronto, Ontario, Canada. BACKGROUND: Recent clinical studies have shown Chlamydophila pneumoniae seropositivity to be related to overweight status and inversely related to insulin sensitivity. The present study was performed to investigate the potential effects of C. pneumoniae infection of adipocytes. METHODS: 3T3-L1 cells and primary epididymal preadipocytes were infected with C. pneumoniae either before or after induction of differentiation, and the effects on adipogenesis and insulin signaling were determined. Tumor necrosis factor (TNF)-alpha signaling was examined by assessing the effects of C. pneumoniae infection in preadipocytes isolated from epididymal adipose tissue of both wild-type and TNF-alpha(-/-) mice. RESULTS: C. pneumoniae successfully infected both undifferentiated and differentiated 3T3-L1 cells in vitro. The bacteria were also detected in adipose tissue of infected low-density lipoprotein receptor-deficient mice. TNF-alpha protein levels were significantly increased in cells infected with either live or heat-killed C. pneumoniae or treated with lipopolysaccharide or heat-shock protein 65; this increase was associated with inhibition of adipocyte differentiation and down-regulation of insulin-stimulated tyrosine-phosphorylated insulin receptor and its substrate. In contrast, C. pneumoniae infection in TNF-alpha(-/-) adipocytes produced no apparent changes, but addition of recombinant TNF-alpha reversed this effect. CONCLUSIONS: We demonstrate for the first time that C. pneumoniae can infect murine pre- and postdifferentiated adipocytes and, through a TNF-alpha-mediated inflammatory mechanism, can impair differentiation and insulin signaling.

Jim K Sun, 2008-04-06 13:05

Chronic Bacterial and Viral Infections in Neurodegenerative and Neurobehavioral Diseases, Garth L. Nicolson, PhD

Chronic Bacterial and Viral Infections in Neurodegenerative and Neurobehavioral Diseases, Garth L. Nicolson, PhD

This is a quite excellent review by Dr. Nicholson published in a mainstream peer reviewed scientific journal. He gathers together a considerable breadth of the research available on infectious sources of these diseases while being even handed in acknowledging the lack of scientific concensus and negative findings. Dr. Nicholson has been a leading researcher in the infectious paradigm for a number of illness, especially CFIDS and Gulf War syndrome.  Chronic Bacterial and Viral Infections in Neurodegenerative and Neurobehavioral Diseases Garth L. Nicolson, PhD(Department of Molecular Pathology, The Institute for Molecular Medicine, Huntington Beach, CA) LABMEDICINE

Jim K Mon, 2008-04-14 21:31

Chronic Fatigue Fibromyalgia Research

Chronic Fatigue Fibromyalgia Research

This is the research that we have relating Chlamydia pneumoniae to CFS and Fibromyalgia:

-Cpn in Chronic Fatigue -This work supports the above work in CFS and cryptic organisms. This time done by researchers in California.

-Infections and Fibromyalgia- If you are using or prescribing this treatment, please read this paper. It overviews the idea of infectious causes for chronic illness and is excellent.

mrhodes40 Sat, 2006-06-03 16:02

General Information Research Page

General Information Research Page

The General Information Page:

CPn Epidemiology Epidemiology means the study of how often and where a germ crops up.

Early events in CPn infection of host cells Short pubmed abstract.

Pharmacodynamics of Antichlamydials This paper addresses the issues of various lifecycles and pharmacodynamics. It is very clear that various agents are needed to eradicate CPn. Link out. Whole citation.

Chlamydiae.com link This site has tremendous technical information about CPn

Slides for a powerpoint slide presentation by Charles Stratton on Cpn.

Chlamydia pneumoniae: crossing the barriers? This long paper is included in totality. It addresses the issue of how CPn crosses epithelial barriers, causes inflammation and how it invades and parasitizes cells. A must read for the physician contemplating using this approach. Provides background.

Research by Charles Stratton and co-researchers This is a simple list of the finished work, includes a link to a complete list. Much of this relates to MS.

Cpn in chronic diseases This is a link out to work that overviews the main issues in CPn in chronic illness. A must read for the serious investigator.

Preliminary report on Wheldon/Stratton case studies This report outlines the theory and usefulness of metronidazole being added to the CPn protocol.

Persistent Chlamydial Envelope antigens This paper describes finding that chlamydia trachomatis can continue to induce inflammation well after treatment. This indicates that persistence of inflammation may well be a feature of CPn infection.

Review: Bacterial host Interactions This review of material relating to bacteria and how persistent infections may be supported by faulty mechanisms inside the idividual body is a must read. Somehwat technical, it's in depth look at the current research regarding this subject is essential for understanding that persistence is well recognized even if clarity about just exactly how it happens is just beginning.

Potential Role of Infections in Chronic Inflammatory Disease This self explanatory title names a referenced opinion paper written by a medical researcher and professor. It is a PDF file.

mrhodes40 Sat, 2006-06-03 15:58

Interesting Article: FIR Sauna improves pulmonary hyptertension in patients with COPD

27 Apr 2018
Author
Red
Title

Interesting Article: FIR Sauna improves pulmonary hyptertension in patients with COPD

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Another recent interesting article on FIR Sauna, this time suggesting that it improves pulmonary hypertension in patients with COPD:

Red

Lab analysis of CPn

Lab analysis of CPn

PCR analysis of CPN This technical paper is a must for the professional and interested techies. How can it be some say it's there and other researcher say it's not? The answer is here.

-Results, and Clinical Performance of Five PCR Assays for Detecting Chlamydia pneumoniae DNA in Peripheral Blood Mononuclear Cells A must read for the interested person interested in the technical details of finding these cryptic bacteria. You must understand this if the research that is done using other tests which find no relationship to CPn is to be properly understood.

Comparison of Five Serologic Tests for Diagnosis of Acute Infections by Chlamydia pneumoniae Another page with 5 tests being compared this one from 2000. Full citation available.

mrhodes40 Sat, 2006-06-03 16:35

Multiple Sclerosis Research

Multiple Sclerosis Research

MS is covered in this page. Please read more from the other research pages also as it is the whole picture that makes it compelling not just what is here....

A review of PCR in CPn infection by David WheldonThere are many studies on MS using the PCR to look for CPn. this review by David Wheldon is insightful

Chlamydia Pneumoniae infection in Neuronal cells lines

CPn respiratory infection associated with relapse in MS

Annotation by Marie with links on nitric oxide CPn and MS

Nitric Oxide and CPn: Multiple sclerosis link?

CPn infection induces transmigration of monocytes through human brain epithelial cells This work was undertaken to see if CPn might transmigrate because there is some work associating CPn with AD. Once you see that it can migrate across the BBB and that it can infet microglia and brain cells, is it such a leap to imagine it could cause MS?

Detection of chlamydial bodies and antigens in the central nervous system of patients with multiple sclerosis The newest published research on CPn in MS released October 1 2005. This work used several methods for detection of CPn in these MS patients, proving this work to be very thorough and extremely convincing. Many others have "tried" to find CPn using one method such as PCR, but his work also reaffirmed the assertion that CPn was present with other approaches as well.

-Pilot study to examine the effect of antibiotics on MRI outcomes in RRMS This is the most recent research to read if you are interested in MS and CPn. This study was small but it highlights interesting points about the reaction of the MS brain to antibiotic treatment.

The clinical response to minocycline in multiple sclerosis is accompanied by beneficial immune changes: a pilot study. This study was looking at minocin as an imunomodulatory agent but the positve responses in terms of gad enhancing lesions and relapses makes a person consider that there is likely more than one reason to do CAPs.

-Assoc. of Chlamydia pneumonie with nervous sytem disease This paper is a must read if you have MS.

Chlamydia pneumoniae infection of microglial cells Very important paper. Please read.

CSF molecular demonstration of CPn DNA is associated with cinical and brain magnetic resonance in RRMS This paper from 2004 shows that several neurolgoical diseases are associated with evidence of CPn in the brain, but also indicates that active disease of MS has a higher association. Importantly taken with Balin's work on AD we are beginning to see a neurological pathogen that possibly causes several kinds of brain pathologies. Since we know other germs like staph has the same kind of differing presentations, is that really so odd?

Epidemiologic Evidence for MS as an infection- J F Kurtzke Classic important paper. Kurtzke is clear that an infectious agent is to blame for MS. This in depth report includes an immene amount of data on the Faroese.

mrhodes40 Sat, 2006-06-03 16:07

Bacterial Genomics Reveals MS Trigger

27 Apr 2018
Author
jeanneroz
Title

Bacterial Genomics Reveals MS Trigger

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Infection with a common bacteria could be the switch that turns on the autoimmune response in multiple sclerosis (MS) according to the findings of Wayne State University PhD graduate, Derek Lenz, now of the Scripps Research Institute in La Jolla, Calif. He described the work he carried out as part of Robert Swanborg’s team at Wayne State University School of Medicine. He said studies in rats show that an antigen found in the bacteria Chlamydia pneumoniae mimics part of a myelin protein in the animal’s central nervous system.

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You GO, Derek Lenz! Thanks for finding this Jeanneroz. I am SO going to enjoy re-educating that young neuro I fired three years ago!

The difference between what we do and what we are capable of doing would suffice to solve most of the world’s problems. Mohandas Gandhi

Well of course we knew this here, but isn't it great to have ones beliefs validated, yet again.

Michèle (UK) GFA: Wheldon CAP 1st May 2006. Daily Doxy, Azi MWF, metro pulse.

Jeanneroz, could you cut and past the full link out in view then add a space to it and it may work for me.  I cannot access the article throught the link mechanism that you provided.  Thanks for sharing.  Louise

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A doctor who does his homework, good deal. More doctors should be a little more curious about their profession and read up on stuff like this. We the patient shouldnt have to be the initiater.

Fibro, CFS,  Myco, CPN, Stratton protocol, Zithro 500mg M/W/F/S, Doxy 100mg 2x day, NAC 1200mg 2x day, Flagyl and INH 2 week pulses 400 mg 3x day, Rifampin, 300mg 2x day,  Still cant shake it but improving.

Yet, we are the initiators and have been for a very long time.Thank goodness, we are not alone and have the brilliant questioning that makes this site so unique.

Educating neuros is a good idea if one can bear hearing the negativity aimed at all of us.

Everyone here, man or woman -  YOU GO!!!!!!

Happy 2009. I am with all of you, in spirit, hopes and desires.

Loulou

diagnosed MS Jan.2000 ,  chronic neurological lyme disease Nov.2002.doxy 100 mg. 1BID. roxy.150 mg.? BID,adding rifampin soon, pulsed tini. every 3 weeks, as of oct.17/08, rifampin,naltrexone (LDN),NAC, nystatin, major wheldon supplemrnts daily,

Season's greetings everyone, but has anyone noticed that this link from Wayne State University is six years old?.............Sarah

An Itinerary in Light and Shadow

Completed Stratton/Wheldon regime for aggressive secondary progressive MS in June 2007, after four years, three of which intermittent.   Still improving bit by bit and no relapses since finishing treatment.

I didn't really think it mattered... but don't you find it interesting that 6 YEARS AGO they made the possible connection??

 

JeanneRoz ~ DX'd w/ CPN 4/2007; 6/07 -"officially" dx'd w/CFIDS/FM; also: HHV6, EBV, IBS-C, 100 Doxy:BID; 500 mg Biaxin BID; Tindamax Pulses, B12 shots, ERFA Dessicated Thyroid,Cortef, Iodoral 25 mg, Vit D-6,000 uni

Wayne State has been doing work of this sort for many years.Dr. Lida Mattman , recently deceased, virologist, etc. penned the medical book Stealth Pathogens in the 80s out of Wayne State. Originally  professor emeritus from Yale - a brilliant woman and ahead of her time.

So we all should pay attention.

Loulou

diagnosed MS Jan.2000 ,  chronic neurological lyme disease Nov.2002.doxy 100 mg. 1BID. roxy.150 mg.? BID,adding rifampin soon, pulsed tini. every 3 weeks, as of oct.17/08, rifampin,naltrexone (LDN),NAC, nystatin, major wheldon supplemrnts daily,

Actually, as I read it, cpn is here considered a trigger for the AUTO-IMMUNE disease of ms. That's a possibility that we have not ruled out but, as I understand it, we do not generally consider MS an auto-immune disease. Am I wrong?

PPMS-misdiagnosed 2001-diagnosed 2006. Probably caught cpn in birth canal but it didn't pass BBB until my 40s. Minocycline 7 mos.- resulting bronchitis 5 months.Go to private m.d. out-of-plan. Wheldon CAP 3/2/07 Stopped 12/12; resumed 12/13

Autoimmune or not?????????????That is the pervasive question..................Some neuros say yes autoimmune, others say no...

Dr. Wheldons protocol gives us some hope..The rest are merely names - I keep going.What else is there??

LOULOU

diagnosed MS Jan.2000 ,  chronic neurological lyme disease Nov.2002.doxy 100 mg. 1BID. roxy.150 mg.? BID,adding rifampin soon, pulsed tini. every 3 weeks, as of oct.17/08, rifampin,naltrexone (LDN),NAC, nystatin, major wheldon supplemrnts daily,

Sorry, everyone, but I didn't think anyone had noticed the date.  This is old news and DW was corresponding with Hudson years ago.  I thought it was sad that things had changed so little since then................Sarah

An Itinerary in Light and Shadow

Completed Stratton/Wheldon regime for aggressive secondary progressive MS in June 2007, after four years, three of which intermittent.   Still improving bit by bit and no relapses since finishing treatment.

It is definitely sad. Thank you DW .

Things in medicine are profoundly slow.Sarah, I'm sure you know more about the inner circles of the med. system than most?

This, so to speak, hierarchy makes us so aware that pharmaceutical companies appear to unfortunately govern medicine and  the "practice" of it.eg. no cause, no cure, bacterial, viral, and the list goes on and on.....

Forget the politics as much as possible. Do what you can . Exercise, go outside (weather permitting), stay on CPN.....................

Loulou

I'm starting to sound political. Must be the times we're living in.

Happy 2009

diagnosed MS Jan.2000 ,  chronic neurological lyme disease Nov.2002.doxy 100 mg. 1BID. roxy.150 mg.? BID,adding rifampin soon, pulsed tini. every 3 weeks, as of oct.17/08, rifampin,naltrexone (LDN),NAC, nystatin, major wheldon supplemrnts daily,

loulou - "Stay on cpn"????????   You are hereby banished from the punchbowl. Cpn=bad. ABX=good. Image removed.

The difference between what we do and what we are capable of doing would suffice to solve most of the world’s problems. Mohandas Gandhi

It is possible it is autoimmune and directly attacks tissue, HSP 60 maybe, and very likely genetic and environmental.  That is maybe why it has taken so long to tie everything together, many variables.

 

The body is very complex, it is very hard to experiment with people much less track them.  Medicine is very political.  All things to slow finding the cure.  Many very fine doctors now are on the germs trail, it will get a lot harder for it to do damage as before.

Cpn, Mycoplasma, Chronic EBV, M.S.(MRI, Spinal Tap-greater than 5 oligoclonal bands and VEP), PANDAS(OCD). Wheldon CAP (started 12/08), Azithromycin/Clarithromycin(12/09), Lithium, Lamictal, NAC(2.4g/day), D3(15,000IU/day)

Whoops! Confused for a change.....................not cpn    YES cap, YES antis.

Thanks Mac for pointing that out- I missed it.

Loulou

diagnosed MS Jan.2000 ,  chronic neurological lyme disease Nov.2002.doxy 100 mg. 1BID. roxy.150 mg.? BID,adding rifampin soon, pulsed tini. every 3 weeks, as of oct.17/08, rifampin,naltrexone (LDN),NAC, nystatin, major wheldon supplemrnts daily,

If Dr. Lida Mattman wrote the medical book "Stealth Pathogens" in the 80's, and was a Nobel Prize candidate because of it, then why in the world are so many having so much trouble finding doctors who will go along with this protocol, and why is there such a battle within the medical community?  I honestly and truly don't understand.

Kelly

Diagnosed FMS Feb '07.  2x/day: 600 mg NAC, 100 mg Doxy, 500 mg Amoxicillin, 2000 iu Vit. D.  450 mg Valcyte.  250 mg Azi M/W/F.  500 mg 375 mg Flagyl pulses every 3-4 weeks.  Started CAP June '07. 

I  wish I knew a solid unbiased answer to your valid questions.

Get involved with ILADS. mORE INFO THat ,as me, will make you more aware, however, add to your confusion. Hoping this baffling info will stop, once and for all BUT I bet it doesn't!!

Happy 2009

Loulou

ps Let it suffice to inform you that Dr. Mattman was hidden, literally, for her beliefs, almost thrown in jail, etc.etc. I stayed with her close to the end of her proud,informative life. I learned a lot from her.

diagnosed MS Jan.2000 ,  chronic neurological lyme disease Nov.2002.doxy 100 mg. 1BID. roxy.150 mg.? BID,adding rifampin soon, pulsed tini. every 3 weeks, as of oct.17/08, rifampin,naltrexone (LDN),NAC, nystatin, major wheldon supplemrnts daily,

Wow, LouLou - where was Erin Brockovich during all of this?!  Dr. Mattman's story sounds fascinating - it would be great to see a book written about her life!  She really was the pioneer, wasn't she?  So sad that she was also a pioneer for those persecuted for daring to have evidence that contradicts those who hold the power.

Kelly

Diagnosed FMS Feb '07.  2x/day: 600 mg NAC, 100 mg Doxy, 500 mg Amoxicillin, 2000 iu Vit. D.  450 mg Valcyte.  250 mg Azi M/W/F.  500 mg 375 mg Flagyl pulses every 3-4 weeks.  Started CAP June '07. 

Chlamydia pneumoniae-specific intrathecal oligoclonal antibody response predominantly detected in subset of multiple sclerosis

Chlamydia pneumoniae-specific intrathecal oligoclonal antibody response predominantly detected in subset of multiple sclerosis

J Neurovirol. 2010 Jan 6. [Epub ahead of print]Chlamydia pneumoniae-specific intrathecal oligoclonal antibody response is predominantly detected in a subset of multiple sclerosis patients with progressive forms.Fainardi E, Castellazzi M, Tamborino C, Seraceni S, Tola MR, Granieri E, Contini C.Neuroradiology Unit, Department of Neurosciences and Rehabilitation, Azienda Ospedaliera-Universitaria, Arcispedale S. Anna, Ferrara, Italy.The purpose of this study was to verify the actual involvement of Chlamydia pneumoniae in multiple sclerosis (MS) by the evaluation of its specific intrathecal humoral immune response in MS. We measured by enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay (ELISA) technique cerebrospinal fluid (CSF) and serum levels of anti-C. pneumoniae immunoglobulin G (IgG) in 27 relapsing-remitting (RR), 9 secondary progressive (SP), and 5 primary progressive (PP) MS patients, grouped according to clinical and magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) evidence of disease activity. Twenty-one patients with other inflammatory neurological disorders (OIND) and 21 with noninflammatory neurological disorders (NIND) were used as controls. Quantitative intrathecal synthesis of anti-C. pneumoniae IgG was determined by antibody-specific index (ASI), whereas the presence of C. pneumoniae-specific CSF oligoclonal IgG bands was assessed by antigen-specific immunoblotting. ASI values indicative of C. pneumoniae-specific intrathecal IgG synthesis were present in a small proportion of MS (29.3%), OIND (33.3%), and NIND (4.8%) patients and were significantly more frequent (P < .05) in total MS and in OIND than in NIND and in SP (P < .01) and PP MS (P < .05) than in RR MS. C. pneumoniae-specific CSF-restricted OCB were detected only in three SP, one PP, and one RR MS patients. These findings suggest that an intrathecal production of anti-C. pneumoniae IgG is part of humoral polyreactivity driven by MS chronic brain inflammation. However, an intrathecal release of C. pneumoniae-specific oligoclonal IgG can occur in a subset of patients with MS progressive forms in whom a C. pneumoniae-persistent brain infection may play a pathogenetic role. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20053141?itool=Email.EmailReport.Pub…

Jim K Sat, 2010-01-09 14:39

Cpn DNA and mRNA in PMBC's and CSF of patients with multiple sclerosis.

27 Apr 2018
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Jim K
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Cpn DNA and mRNA in PMBC's and CSF of patients with multiple sclerosis.

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Neurosci Res. 2008 Sep;62(1):58-61. Epub 2008 May 20.

Chlamydophila pneumoniae DNA and mRNA transcript levels in peripheral blood mononuclear cells and cerebrospinal fluid of patients with multiple sclerosis.

Molecular detection of Parachlamydia-like organisms in cerebrospinal fluid of patients with multiple sclerosis.

27 Apr 2018
Author
Jim K
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Molecular detection of Parachlamydia-like organisms in cerebrospinal fluid of patients with multiple sclerosis.

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Mult Scler. 2008 May;14(4):564-6

Molecular detection of Parachlamydia-like organisms in cerebrospinal fluid of patients with multiple sclerosis.

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THANKS JimK

we know that!!  Glad some research is being done, that is excellent.

peace

r

 

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Respiratory issue and Chlamydia Pneumoniae

Respiratory issue and Chlamydia Pneumoniae

Asthma and Infections,

Seroprevalence of CPn infections in otolaryngeal infections

Mechanisms of chlamydiophilia mediated GM-CSF release in HUman Bronchial cellsHow does CPn tirgger inflammatoin in lung tissue? this attempts to pinpoint the answer

Serum IgG and IgA antibodies to CPn in EmphysemaThis article indicates that serology is positive in emphysema and that clinical course and worsening is tied to CPn status

Asthma and CPn. Explains interaction of patient immune system with the CPn. Technical.

-Cpn in recurrent respiratory infections This work with children with recurrent respiratory infections indicates that treating for cryptic bacteria improves outcomes. Treatment was prolonged due to the nature of cryptic, or "atypical" bacteria.

Chlamydia Pneumoniae and COPD This reserach indicates that acute exacerbations of COPD re associated with CPn.

-Cpn in asthma This research indicates that cryptic bacteria play a role in asthma. Outcomes were improved by adding abx.

mrhodes40 Sat, 2006-06-03 16:26

Severe asthma exacerbation: role of acute Cpn & Mycoplasma

Severe asthma exacerbation: role of acute Cpn & Mycoplasma
1: Respir Res. 2008 May 30;9:48.

Severe asthma exacerbation: role of acute Chlamydophila pneumoniae and Mycoplasma pneumoniae infection.

Cosentini R, Tarsia P, Canetta C, Graziadei G, Brambilla AM, Aliberti S, Pappalettera M, Tantardini F, Blasi F. Emergency Medicine Department, Fondazione IRCCS Ospedale Maggiore Policlinico, Mangiagalli e Regina Elena, Gruppo NIV Policlinico, Milan, Italy. r.cosentini@gmail.com BACKGROUND: Chlamydophila pneumoniae and Mycoplasma pneumoniae are associated with acute exacerbation of bronchial asthma (AEBA). The aim of this study was to evaluate the correlation between these acute bacterial infections and the severity of AEBA. METHODS: We prospectively analysed consecutive patients admitted to the Emergency Department with acute asthma exacerbation. In every patient peak expiratory flow (PEF) measurement was performed on admission, and spirometry during follow-up. Serology for Chlamydophila and Mycoplasma pneumoniae was performed on admission and after 4-8 weeks. RESULTS: Fifty-eight patients completed the study. Acute atypical infections (AAI) was observed in 22/58 cases; we found single acute C. pneumoniae in 19 cases, single acute M. pneumoniae in 2 cases, and double acute infection in one case. Functional impairment on admission was greater in patients with AAI than in patients without AAI (PEF 205 +/- 104 L/min vs 276 +/- 117 p = 0.02) and persisted until visit 2 (FEV1% 76.30 +/- 24.54 vs FEV1% 92.91 +/- 13.89, p = 0.002). Moreover, the proportion of patients who presented with severe AEBA was significantly greater in the group with AAI than in the group without AAI (15/22 vs 12/36, p = 0.01; OR 4.29, 95% CI 1.38-13.32). CONCLUSION: Our data suggest an association between acute atypical infection and a more severe AEBA.

Jim K Mon, 2008-07-28 23:56

The Cardiac Research Links

The Cardiac Research Links

CPn and Cardiovascular Issues -

Statins and CPn

Persistent CPn infection of cardiomyocytes associated with acute MI

Atherothrobotic events and CPn Long term study on CPn IgG and IgA findings in atherothrombosis

Higher incidence of persistent chronic infection of Chlamydia pneumoniae among coronary artery disease patients in India is a cause of concern.

CPn and atherosclerosis Article which is in depth and includes many interesting diagrams and pictures. An overview of the understanding of the role CPn plays in cardiovascular issues with many links in the work

Experimental Chlamydia pneumoniae infection model: effects of repeated inoculations and treatment This article is about mice repeatedly infected with CPn and the impact on the cardiovascular system. luteolin in mentioned.

The role of endothelial dysfunction and Chlamydia pneumoniae infection in patients with ischemic stroke Intimal thickness is a measure of atherosclerosis this research correlates it with CPn seropositivity

Cpn in heart disease Think all this research is done by one or two people? Not at all. This link out highlights work done in Seattle on several cryptic organisms in CFS.

Doxycycline use and incidence of CAD This retrospective study of clients in a Greek cardiac practice reviewed use of doxy and later incidence of CAD. A reduction was seen.

The CDC on CPn The centers for disease control recognizes CPn as an emerging issue in atherosclerosis and other diseases. Once again CPn is becoming more recognized in chronic illness traditionally thought "autoimmune"

The Influence of CPn on aortic stiffness in healthy young menIs CRP a response to CPn in cardiovascular issues? C reactive protein and pulse wave velocity measurement of stiffness were both statistically higher in the IgA positive group for CPn.

Antibodies to 60-kilodalton heat shock protein and outer membrane CPn in people with CAD (coronary artery disease) Again, if you have CAD you have antibodies to the various proteins of CPn.

Autoimmunity to human heat shock protein 60, CPn infection, and inflammation in predicting coronary artery riskAutoimmunity plays a role in CPn infection

Antibody respose to Chlamydial heat shock protein strongly associated with cornoary artery disease HSP's are a contributing factor in CPn disease in study after study.

Serological evidence of CPn LPS antibodies in atherosclerosis of various vascular regions There are several proteins associated with CPn tht are immunogenic.

Chronic CPn infection associated with serum lipid profile known to be a risk for CAD CAD is coronary artery disease

Elevated antibody levels against Chlamydia pneumoniae, human HSP60 and mycobacterial HSP65 are independent risk factors in myocardial infarction and ischaemic heart disease. How have we missed this for so long?

Synergistic effect of persistent Chlamydia pneumoniae infection, autoimmunity, and inflammation on coronary risk. Several factors at work accounting for the research into other risk factors.


Chlamydial and human heat shock protein 60 homologues in acute coronary syndromes. (Auto-)immune reactions as a link

Effect of chronic Chlamydia infection with non-specific inflammation on cardiovascular complications in acute myocardial infarct

Azithromycin for the secondary prevention of coronary events Azithromycin alone, a bacteriostatic agent, is incapable of ridding the body of CPn. The EB's are not touched by this drug, the cryptic and peristant forms are encouraged, and it's bacteriostatic nature means the bacteria simply stop actively replicating and metabolizing until the coast is clear. You cannot create any meaningful research into this subject until you account for all lifecycle forms. We are essentially dealing with a form of resistance here. The conclusion of this study was that azith did not decrease coronary events.

Effect of prolonged treatment with azithromycin, clarithromycin, or levofloxacin on Chlamydia pneumoniae in a continuous-infection model This paper finds that treatment with standard chlamydia effective antibiotics does not eradicate persistence. This highlights the need for combination and very long term treatment if one wishes to eradicate CPn.

Azithromycin therapy in patients with chronic Chlamydia pneumoniae infection and coronary heart disease: immediate and long-term This one indicated a possibly positive outcome on fibrinolysis though again the azith did not impact CPn positivity. Taken with the abstract above we have a situation that is confusing to the clinician - until you understand the pathogen and it's lifecycle. Then these studies are clearly incomplete and therefore inconclusive.

The final report on the ROXIS study This paper outlines the ROXIS study on roxithromycin use in patients who had experienced an acute non q wave coronary problem. The folow up reposts a positive effect. This links to the whole citation.

Effect of Treatment for Chlamydia pneumoniae and Helicobacter pylori on Markers of Inflammation and Cardiac Events in Patients With Acute Coronary Syndromes
Another antibiotic study with positive results though serologic markers of CPn and H pylori were not affected by treatement. It might be suggested this means it was some other aspect of the abx that influenced the disease (ie antiinflammatory) but since persistent CPn is not reflected in serologic markers it is likely moot. The whole citation is linked here.

Heat-shock protein 60-reactive CD4+CD28null T cells in patients with acute coronary syndromes We can certainly recognize how that crafty CD4+CD28 combo from MS shows up in this cardiac study and also in RA, somehow researchers from different fields don't seem to recognize them yet as possibly caused by the same source CPn, not autoimmunity.

Fulminant carditis and CPn This is a case of carditis that turned out to be CPn and CP together.

mrhodes40 Mon, 2005-10-17 20:31

Vitamin D Abstracts & Commentaries

Vitamin D Abstracts & Commentaries Jim K Mon, 2008-04-07 22:46

Vieth Slide Show on Vitamin D- see this one if nothing else

Vieth Slide Show on Vitamin D- see this one if nothing else

The charts alone make it crystal clear: lack of sun exposure, low D levels and a host of diseases result. Critical for all of us living in northern climates, but especially true for people of African descent with dark skin. It's apparent from his presentation that even 2000 units a day is not enough for the elderly, African Americans, and those of us with illness. 4000 units a day is more like it.http://wildhorse.insinc.com/directms13oct2005/ 

Jim K Fri, 2008-10-31 07:44

Another good article on Vit D3 & Autoimmune Disease

27 Apr 2018
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Red
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Another good article on Vit D3 & Autoimmune Disease

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Just ran across this fairly easy to read recent review article on Vit D3 and thought others might be interested:The Complex Role of Vitamin D in Autoimmune Diseases It's well worth a read...  

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Thanks Red!  Can't wait to read it.  :o)

Big hugs!

TP 

 

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May 2008. NACx1200mg, D3x2000mg, B12x1000mcg. Allergies, chronic inflamation, eczema, long-term steroid use, sinusitis/cysts, BL/TN, FM, CF, arthritis, rosacea.

Corinna | GFA. Wheldon Protocol: 4–8/08. Can't kill the yeast.

Red

You're welcome, TP!   How are you doing so far?

On Combined Antibiotic Protocol for Cpn in Rosacea 01/06 - 07/07, On Vit D3 + NAC since 07/07 and daily FIR Sauna since 08/07

Treatment for Rosacea

  • CAP:  01/06-07/07
  • High-Dose Vit D3, NAC:  07/07-11/08
  • Intermtnt CAP, HDose Vit D3:  11/08-01/09
  • HDose Vit D3, Mg, Zn: 01/09-

I am having more bad days than good ones but I am convincing myself that this is somehow a good thing... I think my pancreas is unhappy because it hurts (??) My old Edmonton MD is considering taking this on with me...YIPPEE!!! Ahem, I'm mean I feel cautiously optimistic.  Image removed.

First thing he told me to do was up the Vitamin D to 6000/day.  That's a good sign!

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May 2008. NACx1200mg, D3x2000mg, B12x1000mcg. Allergies, chronic inflamation, eczema, long-term steroid use, sinusitis/cysts, BL/TN, FM, CF, arthritis, rosacea.

Corinna | GFA. Wheldon Protocol: 4–8/08. Can't kill the yeast.

Red

Too funny!   Glad to hear you're so cautiously optimistic!

Sorry to hear you're having more bad days than good, but this is really par for the course in the early days.  Still, remember attack the secondary porphyria with all options.  This is your big chance to pig out on those starchy carbs and glucose tabs with no guilt!

Keep us posted, and good luck with your Edmonton doc!  I like his advice on the Vit D3 btw.   In addition to its likely killing effects on Cpn, through the elevation of cathelicidins, it kills so many other pathogens that are likely involved as co-pathogens in many of our diseases/conditions.   I think it has been very instrumental in my own recovery.

But be careful about upping it too fast.   I can cause pretty heavy die-off and secondary porphyria symptoms itself...

 

On Combined Antibiotic Protocol for Cpn in Rosacea 01/06 - 07/07, On Vit D3 + NAC since 07/07 and daily FIR Sauna since 08/07

Treatment for Rosacea

  • CAP:  01/06-07/07
  • High-Dose Vit D3, NAC:  07/07-11/08
  • Intermtnt CAP, HDose Vit D3:  11/08-01/09
  • HDose Vit D3, Mg, Zn: 01/09-

Thanks Red. I've jumped to 4000 which may explain the way I'm feeling. I'm up to 2400 mg NAC now too.

I really appreciate your guidance!

Big hugs!
TP

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May 2008. NACx2400mg, D3x4000mg, B12x1000mcg. Allergies, chronic inflamation, eczema, long-term steroid use, sinusitis/cysts, BL/TN, FM, CF, arthritis, rosacea.

Corinna | GFA. Wheldon Protocol: 4–8/08. Can't kill the yeast.

Red

That will definitely do it! Don't underestimate the power of the D...

As long as you don't have any medical reason not to, and I know this is counter to everything you've probably read up to this point about what you should do for good health, but definitely give glucose tabs a good try too. You can get them at any drugstore down here. I'm assuming it's the same up in your area:

http://www.drugstore.com/products/prod.asp?pid=37594&catid=10017

Take 2 or 3 and see if you don't feel a bit better in @ 20 minutes or so. If not, take another 2 or 3 to see if this works. If it does, you're likely suffering from secondary porphyria and should probably take glucose more regularly during the day to help minimize this problem. Others find the glucose based "Smarties" work too, and are cheaper. I seemed to notice more stomach irritation with them. Not sure why. Maybe it was the amount of citric acid. Anyway, glucose really helped earlier in treatment for me, and seems to really help others too...

I know you're probably worried about Candida, etc, but the cathelicidins elevated by Vit D3 have been shown to be pretty effective at killing Candida so do the glucose.  It may allow you to ramp up the Vit D3 more quickly...

Hope this helps. Keep us posted on your progress. I hope you feel better soon!

Big hugs back at you...

On Combined Antibiotic Protocol for Cpn in Rosacea 01/06 - 07/07, On Vit D3 + NAC since 07/07 and daily FIR Sauna since 08/07

Treatment for Rosacea

  • CAP:  01/06-07/07
  • High-Dose Vit D3, NAC:  07/07-11/08
  • Intermtnt CAP, HDose Vit D3:  11/08-01/09
  • HDose Vit D3, Mg, Zn: 01/09-

Thanks Red!

I admit to forgetting about the glucose when I feel this way. My head's not connected to this all just yet. I will pick up the glucose tomorrow, the local pharm had set some aside for me a while back and I've let myself get sidetracked.

I'm not going to worry about the candida issues while taking this on, unless/until I have to. I will post on my blog with updates, sorry to derail this one...Image removed.

Best wishes,
TP

 

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May 2008. NACx2400mg, D3x4000mg, B12x1000mcg. Allergies, chronic inflamation, eczema, long-term steroid use, sinusitis/cysts, BL/TN, FM, CF, arthritis, rosacea.

Corinna | GFA. Wheldon Protocol: 4–8/08. Can't kill the yeast.

A superb review article, and a great find. Thanks Red! 

CAP for Cpn 11/04. Dx: 25yrs CFS & FMS. Currently: 300mg BID Roxithromycin, Bactrim DS 2x/day, Tini 1000mg/day pulses; Vit D2000 units, T4 & T3

Red

You're welcome, Jim.

TP, no worries about derailing this thread. You haven't...

The whole not thinking straight thing seems to be related to the secondary porphyria. The worse the secondary porphyria gets, the less reasoning you're able to muster.

If you have some sugar cookies on hand still, eat a couple tonight. They'll help you feel better. A caffeine-free sugary soda will even do.

Hang in there...

On Combined Antibiotic Protocol for Cpn in Rosacea 01/06 - 07/07, On Vit D3 + NAC since 07/07 and daily FIR Sauna since 08/07

Treatment for Rosacea

  • CAP:  01/06-07/07
  • High-Dose Vit D3, NAC:  07/07-11/08
  • Intermtnt CAP, HDose Vit D3:  11/08-01/09
  • HDose Vit D3, Mg, Zn: 01/09-
Red

Are Influenza Epidemics a Result of Low Sunlight and Vitamin D?

27 Apr 2018
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Jim K
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Are Influenza Epidemics a Result of Low Sunlight and Vitamin D?

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Gotta love this one.

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This looks like a fantastic article. Not only from a vitamin D perspective, but also from an epidemiology/preventative-disease perspective. I'm probably abnormal, but I've been asking myself some of these questions for a long time. Finally some answers!

Thanks Jim.

garcia. 

 

Hunter: Don't think - experiment

Red

Great article, Jim.   Very intertesting read... Thanks!

Treatment for Rosacea

  • CAP:  01/06-07/07
  • High-Dose Vit D3, NAC:  07/07-11/08
  • Intermtnt CAP, HDose Vit D3:  11/08-01/09
  • HDose Vit D3, Mg, Zn: 01/09-

Re-reading it, I'm even more impressed with the findings. The charts alone on cold/flu reduction from only 2000 units of D during winter months are worth the read. Want to protect yourself from the next pandemic? Forget Tamiflu, get your D levels up!

D2 vs D3 supplementation: article link

D2 vs D3 supplementation: article link

Most prescription D is D2 rather than the more effective D3. This article has an excellent review of the state of the science and why D3 is preferred for supplementation. http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/84/4/694 

Jim K Wed, 2008-10-29 18:22

Detailed Info on Vitamin D, especially in relation to MP

Detailed Info on Vitamin D, especially in relation to MP

A lot of people coming to the site here have questions about the Marshall Protocol and the Cpn CAP, where we recommend Vitamin D supplementation in contrast to MP. The most detailed analysis of the MP in relation to what is known in the scientific literature about Vitamin D occurs in this link:http://stuff.mit.edu/people/london/universe.htm 

Jim K Mon, 2008-04-07 23:04

Interesting Study on Importance of Vitamin D3 for Proper Thyroid Function

27 Apr 2018
Author
Red
Title

Interesting Study on Importance of Vitamin D3 for Proper Thyroid Function

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 Since so many on the site are dealing with thyroid issues, I thought I'd pass this along...First, here's a little news blurb on the study:Modern Medicine: Vitamin D Directly Affects Thyroid Function in Mice  Below is the full study article.  While the article focuses on Graves' hyperthyroidism, the discussion and conclusion sections list some interesting findings of recent research on Vitamin D3's importance for proper thyroid fun

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Great find, Red. This might help make some sense over all the thyroid deficiency we see in CFIDS/ME from D deficiency compounded by infection, and certainly gives pause to pursuing a D deprivation model like the MP. Anyone here from the MP have resulting thyroid problems?

Red

Low Vitamin D Levels Linked to Chronic Pain in Women

27 Apr 2018
Author
Jim K
Title

Low Vitamin D Levels Linked to Chronic Pain in Women

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Posting this one as a whole, seems "fair use" for an informational web site, because it includes a useful discussion of the limitations of the methodology of the study not found in the abstract. Still, it behooves those of us with pain to consider Vitamin D levels as at least a variable that either modulates pain itself or contributes to other factors, like infection, that generate pain and inflammation. Low Vitamin D Levels Linked to Chronic Pain in Women Allison Gandey Medscape Medical News 2008.

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Jim - And on the heels of your article

from the August 11, 2008, Archives of Internal Medicine (very reputable journal)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18695076

"Observational data suggests that low 25-hydroxyvitamin D levels (25[OH]D) are associated with diabetes mellitus, hypertension, and cancers. However, whether low serum 25(OH)D levels are associated with mortality in the general population is unknown. "

"the lowest quartile (25[OH]D levels <17.8 ng/mL) was associated with a 26% increased rate of all-cause mortality"

This is substantial by anyone's standards!

 

Daisy - Husband on CAP 5/07.  Husband died from Acute Myelogenous Leukemia Secondary to the Infusion of Novantrone.  Ie - the treatment with the conventional MS drugs killed him. Daisy on her own CAP 11/2012. 

More and more on Vitamin D

27 Apr 2018
Author
Jim K
Title

More and more on Vitamin D

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Following are some new Vitamin D abstracts by Holick. With 1,25-dihydroxyvitamin D involved in regulating more than 200 genes, you would think it might not be such a good idea to formulate treatment around Vitamin D starvation...Jim

Oliver Gillie's reports on Vitamin D's benefits available online

27 Apr 2018
Author
Red
Title

Oliver Gillie's reports on Vitamin D's benefits available online

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 Reports describing Vitamin D3's benefits by Oliver Gillie,  a freelance medical researcher and writer, are available online.

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Red

By the way, although I believe the above reports make an important case for the involvement of low levels of Vitamin D3 in the pathogenesis of Multiple Sclerosis and other "autoimmune" diseases, IMHO, the expert researchers on Vitamin D3 may also be missing much of the reason for this, namely the importance of Vitamin D3 in controlling or preventing the infections that have been linked with these diseases.  

The article above mentions the antimicrobial peptides (cathelicidins) that so require Vit D3 for their production, but it really only mentions these cathelicidins in reference to tuberculosis.   The article also mentions Vit D3's importance for normal cellular apoptosis, but again it only mentions this in reference to cancer.  

IMHO, these researchers may be missing the importance of these two (and probably other) effects of Vit D3 in in controlling infections that may cause disease.   As we are aware, Vit D3 may influence levels of Chlamydia pneumoniae infection through its effects on the ability of the Chlamydia pneumoniae to prevent apotosis (and replicate protected inside a cell) for instance.   And cathelicidins may be important in keeping the henchmen Herpes viruses dormant, where they belong.

These researchers also don't seem to ever mention the relatively recently discovered importance of Leukotriene B4 for the induction of cathelicidins upon immune system detection of pathogens. What effects did the introduction of modern medicines that block the production of Leukotriene B4 so well and therefore significantly reduce the induction of already reduced levels of cathelicidins (due to low levels of Vit D3) upon immune system detection of pathogens have on disease rates?    I wonder...

Although I have no medical background, I personally believe the pathogenesis of many of the "autoimmune" diseases that these researchers point to heavy involvement of low levels of Vit D3 in their pathogenesis may actually be far more complex than these researchers realize.    Still, bless these researchers for the efforts!

Treatment for Rosacea

  • CAP:  01/06-07/07
  • High-Dose Vit D3, NAC:  07/07-11/08
  • Intermtnt CAP, HDose Vit D3:  11/08-01/09
  • HDose Vit D3, Mg, Zn: 01/09-

Red- thanks for your quick summary of the Vitamin D web here in terms of Cpn. Because of your interest in Leucotrines related to rosacea, you probably have a better grasp on this than any of us of these interactions.

Red

Sunlight, UV-radiation, vitamin D and skin cancer: how much sunlight do we need?

Sunlight, UV-radiation, vitamin D and skin cancer: how much sunlight do we need?

Adv Exp Med Biol. 2008;624:1-15.Links   Sunlight, UV-radiation, vitamin D and skin cancer: how much sunlight do we need?   Holick MF.    Department of Medicine, Section of Endocrinology, Nutrition and Diabetes, Vitamin D, Skin and Bone Research Laboratory, Boston University Medical Center, 715 Albany Street, M-1 013, Boston, MA 02118, USA. mfholick@bu.edu    Vtamin D is the sunshine vitamin for good reason. During exposure to sunlight, the utraviolet B photons enter the skin and photolyze 7-dehydrocholesterol to previtamin D3 which in turn is isomerized by the body's temperature to vitamin D3. Most humans have depended on sun for their vitamin D requirement. Skin pigment, sunscreen use, aging, time of day, season and latitude dramatically affect previtamin D3 synthesis. Vitamin D deficiency was thought to have been conquered, but it is now recognized that more than 50% of the world's population is at risk for vitamin D deficiency. This deficiency is in part due to the inadequate fortification of foods with vitamin D and the misconception that a healthy diet contains an adequate amount of vitamin D. Vitamin D deficiency causes growth retardation and rickets in children and will precipitate and exacerbate osteopenia, osteoporosis and increase risk of fracture in adults. The vitamin D deficiency has been associated pandemic with other serious consequences including increased risk of common cancers, autoimmune diseases, infectious diseases and cardiovascular disease. There needs to be a renewed appreciation of the beneficial effect of moderate sunlight for providing all humans with their vitamin D requirement for health.

Jim K Mon, 2008-04-07 22:52

The tolerability and biochemical effects of high-dose bolus vitamin D2 and D3 supplementation in patients with vitamin D insuffi

27 Apr 2018
Author
Daisy
Title

The tolerability and biochemical effects of high-dose bolus vitamin D2 and D3 supplementation in patients with vitamin D insuffi

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The tolerability and biochemical effects of high-dose bolus vitamin D2 and D3 supplementation in patients with vitamin D insufficiency.Leventis P, Kiely PD.Department of Rheumatology, St George's Healthcare NHS Trust, London, UK.Objectives: To investigate the practicality and tolerability of high-dose intramuscular (i.m.) vitamin D2 or oral vitamin D3 replacement in vitamin D-insufficient patients, and to evaluate the biochemical efficacy of each formulation.

Comments

Daisy,  Thanks for this---it addresses a concern I've had as to whether or not taking D3 would exacerbate my already elevated calcium level.

Joyce~caregiver-advocate in Dallas for Steve J (SPMS).  CAP since August 06, Cpn, Mpn, B. burgdorferi, systemic candidiasis, EBV, CMV & other herpes family viral infections, elevated heavy metals, gluten+casein sensitivity. 

Red

Good one, Daisy.  Thanks!

Treatment for Rosacea

  • CAP:  01/06-07/07
  • High-Dose Vit D3, NAC:  07/07-11/08
  • Intermtnt CAP, HDose Vit D3:  11/08-01/09
  • HDose Vit D3, Mg, Zn: 01/09-

Vitamin D Council and brief quote on Vit D in sarcoidosis

Vitamin D Council and brief quote on Vit D in sarcoidosis

The Vitamin D Council is an excellent source of information on Vitamin D, health and science (thanks Reenie:).http://vitamindcouncil.orgTheir research page is a useful listing of all the conditions in which insufficient Vitamin D has been linked to, including cancer, MS and autism. http://vitamindcouncil.org/research.shtml Of interest to sarcoidosis patients looking to cautiously increase Vitamin D as part of a CAP for Cpn:

Hypersensitivity, Not Toxicity Vitamin Di hypersensitivity syndromes are often mistaken for vitamin D toxicity. The most common is primary hyperparathyroidism. Other syndromes occur when abnormal tissue subverts the kidney's normal regulation of endocrine calcitriol production. Aberrant tissues, usually granulomatous, convert 25(OH)D into calcitriol causing high blood calcium. The most common such condition is sarcoidosis, oat cell carcinoma of the lung and non‑Hodgkin's lymphoma but other illness can cause the syndrome and they can occur while the patient's 25(OH)D levels are normal or even low. For that reason, while rare, it is advisable to seek a knowledgeable physician's care when repleting your vitamin D system, especially if you are older, have sarcoidosis, cancer or other granulomatous diseasesi. In such high‑risk patients, periodic monitoring of 25(OH)D levels and serum calcium will alert the physician to the need to do more tests, such as calcitriol or PTH, and take further action.However, it seems clear that restoring physiological serum levels of 25(OH)D will help many more patients that it will hurt. In fact, living in America today while worrying about vitamin D toxicity is like dying of thirst in the desert while worrying about drowning.http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/vitaminDToxicity.shtml 
Jim K Thu, 2008-07-10 22:44

Vitamin D Inhibits Entry of Intracellular Pathogen

Vitamin D Inhibits Entry of Intracellular Pathogen

Although this is with a different intracellular pathogen than Cpn, it suggests one of the possible protective mechanisms that Vitamin D gives against intracellular pathogens. Like Cpn,  Mycobacterium tuberculosis infects the immune cells (macrophages) themselves, and this study describes the inhibition of cell invasion by Vitamin D. J Microbiol Immunol Infect. 2008 Feb;41(1):17-25. Synergistic action of vitamin D and retinoic acid restricts invasion of macrophages by pathogenic mycobacteria. Anand PK, Kaul D, Sharma M. Molecular Biology Unit, Department of Experimental Medicine and Biotechnology, Post Graduate Institute of Medical Education and Research, Chandigarh, India. BACKGROUND AND PURPOSE: Phagosomal maturation arrest is known to play a central role in the survival of pathogenic mycobacteria within macrophages. The maturation arrest of mycobacterial phagosome results from the retention of tryptophan-aspartate-containing coat protein (TACO) on this organelle, enabling successful replication of the pathogen. We have shown earlier that vitamin D(3) and retinoic acid (RA) down-regulate TACO gene transcription in a dose-dependent manner. METHODS: In this study, we analyzed the promoter region of TACO gene using bioinformatics tools and observed that the vitamin D receptor (VDR)/retinoid-X-receptor (RXR) response sequence was highly functional. We also evaluated the effect of treatment with vitamin D(3)/RA on Mycobacterium tuberculosis entry and survival in cultured human macrophages. RESULTS: TACO gene down-regulation observed with vitamin D(3)/RA treatment occurred through modulation of this gene via the VDR/RXR response sequence present in the promoter region of TACO gene. Treatment of macrophages with vitamin D(3)/RA allows maturation of mycobacterial phagosome, leading to degradation of the pathogen. CONCLUSIONS: Our results elucidate the mechanism of TACO gene down-regulation observed with vitamin D(3)/RA. Furthermore, the results revealed that vitamin D(3)/RA treatment inhibits mycobacterial entry as well as survival within macrophages, possibly through rescue of phagosome maturation arrest. The developing knowledge in this area suggests that vitamin D(3)/RA may be of importance in the treatment of intracellular infection, particularly tuberculosis.

Jim K Mon, 2008-09-08 15:48

Vitamin D Pathways - Importance of IL-15

27 Apr 2018
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Vitamin D Pathways - Importance of IL-15

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Here's another interesting area to keep an eye on, namely the apparent importance of IL-15 for bioconversion of 5-hydroxyvitamin D3 (25D3) into bioactive 1,25D3 and the downstream induction of cathelicidins:

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Vitamin D Status: Measurement, Interpretation, and Clinical Application.

Vitamin D Status: Measurement, Interpretation, and Clinical Application.

 Ann Epidemiol. 2008 Mar 8 [Epub ahead of print]Click here to read Links   Vitamin D Status: Measurement, Interpretation, and Clinical Application.   Holick MF.    From the Department of Medicine, Section of Endocrinology, Nutrition, and Diabetes, Vitamin D, Skin and Bone Research Laboratory, Boston University Medical Center, Boston, MA.    Vitamin D, the sunshine vitamin, is now recognized not only for its importance in promoting bone health in children and adults but also for other health benefits, including reducing the risk of chronic diseases such as autoimmune diseases, common cancer, and cardiovascular disease. Vitamin D made in the skin or ingested in the diet is biologically inert and requires 2 successive hydroxylations first in the liver on carbon 25 to form 25-hydroxyvitamin D [25(OH)D], and then in the kidney for a hydroxylation on carbon 1 to form the biologically active form of vitamin D, 1,25-dihydroxyvitamin D [1,25(OH)(2)D]. With the identification of 25(OH)D and 1,25(OH)(2)D, methods were developed to measure these metabolites in the circulation. Serum 25(OH)D is the barometer for vitamin D status. Serum 1,25(OH)(2)D provides no information about vitamin D status and is often normal or even increased as the result of secondary hyperparathyroidism associated with vitamin D deficiency. Most experts agree that 25(OH)D of < 20 ng/mL is considered to be vitamin D deficiency, whereas a 25(OH)D of 21-29 ng/mL is considered to be insufficient. The goal should be to maintain both children and adults at a level > 30 ng/mL to take full advantage of all the health benefits that vitamin D provides.

Jim K Mon, 2008-04-07 22:48

Vitamin D and skin physiology: a D-lightful story.

Vitamin D and skin physiology: a D-lightful story.

J Bone Miner Res. 2007 Dec;22 Suppl 2:V28-33.Click here to read Links   Vitamin D and skin physiology: a D-lightful story.   Holick MF, Chen TC, Lu Z, Sauter E.    Department of Medicine, Section of Endocrinology, Nutrition, and Diabetes, Vitamin D, Skin, and Bone Research Laboratory, Boston University Medical Center, Boston, Massachusetts, USA.    Throughout evolution, exposure to sunlight and the photosynthesis of vitamin D(3) in the skin has been critically important for the evolution of land vertebrates. During exposure to sunlight, the solar UVB photons with energies 290-315 nm are absorbed by 7-dehydrocholesterol in the skin and converted to previtamin D(3). Previtamin D(3) undergoes a rapid transformation within the plasma membrane to vitamin D(3). Excessive exposure to sunlight will not result in vitamin D intoxication because both previtamin D(3) and vitamin D(3) are photolyzed to several noncalcemic photoproducts. During the winter at latitudes above approximately 35 degrees , there is minimal, if any, previtamin D(3) production in the skin. Altitude also has a significant effect on vitamin D(3) production. At 27 degrees N in November, very little ( approximately 0.5%) previtamin D(3) synthesis was detected in Agra (169 m) and Katmandu (1400 m). There was an approximately 2- and 4-fold increase in previtamin D(3) production at approximately 3400 m and at Everest base camp (5300 m), respectively. Increased skin pigmentation, application of a sunscreen, aging, and clothing have a dramatic effect on previtamin D(3) production in the skin. It is estimated that exposure in a bathing suit to 1 minimal erythemal dose (MED) is equivalent to ingesting between 10,000 and 25,000 IU of vitamin D(2). The importance of sunlight for providing most humans with their vitamin D requirement is well documented by the seasonal variation in circulating levels of 25-hydroxyvitamin D [25(OH)D]. Vitamin D deficiency [i.e., 25(OH)D < 20 ng/ml] is common in both children and adults worldwide. Exposure to lamps that produce UVB radiation is an excellent source for producing vitamin D(3) in the skin and is especially efficacious in patients with fat malabsorption syndromes. The major cause of vitamin D deficiency globally is an underappreciation of sunlight's role in providing humans with their vitamin D(3) requirement. Very few foods naturally contain vitamin D, and those that do have a very variable vitamin D content. Recently it was observed that wild caught salmon had between 75% and 90% more vitamin D(3) compared with farmed salmon. The associations regarding increased risk of common deadly cancers, autoimmune diseases, infectious diseases, and cardiovascular disease with living at higher latitudes and being prone to vitamin D deficiency should alert all health care professionals about the importance of vitamin D for overall health and well being.

Jim K Mon, 2008-04-07 22:50

Vitamin D and the immune system: role in protection against bacterial infection.

27 Apr 2018
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Vitamin D and the immune system: role in protection against bacterial infection.

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Curr Opin Nephrol Hypertens. 2008 Jul;17(4):348-52.

Wonderful Paper on Vitamin D, with focus on Vitamin D and the Nervous System

27 Apr 2018
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Wonderful Paper on Vitamin D, with focus on Vitamin D and the Nervous System

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 This is a wonderful Academic Dissertation by Anna Minasyan, from Tampere University Medical School:Vitamin D and the Nervous System It contains an amazingly complete and fairly easy to read (if you can skim through all the citations) review of the known actions of Vitamin D in the body, including very good explanations of the known pathways.   Here are a few sections that I believe are particularly important:

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