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Thanks for your insight Norman, it might explain the time it take Ella to recover from some of the set backs brought on by Flagyl.  

Michele: Wheldon CAP1st May 2006 for ailments including IBS, sinusitis, alopecia, asthma, peripheral neuropathy. Spokesperson for Ella started Wheldon CAP 16th March 2006 for RRMS. Sussex UK

Norman- As usual, your keen observation and your associations to the sequencing of cellular impact generates a very useful model. Your graphs help visualize a phenomenon spoken of frequently here so that it really comes across. I like how you are distinguishing between ill feeling and functioning from porphyrins vs apoptosis. Sounds like you don't have much of the endotoxin reaction at the front end: chills, cold, fever, body temp drop, etc, yes? 

CAP for Chlamydia pneumonia since 11/04. 25yrs CFS & FMS- Currently: 150mg INH, 300mg Rifampin, 200 Doxycycline, 500mg mwf Azithromycin, plus 500mg Tinidazole 2x/day pulses every two weeks. Whew! That's a lot!

Endotoxin sorts of effects are what I've lumped under "Ill feeling". That includes, at its worst, a bit of feverish feeling. I haven't taken my temperature much, but the feeling is mild enough that I doubt it means more than a degree (F) or so of rise. I haven't observed temperature fall below normal, but then I haven't been looking for them.

One other thing I should mention is that it seems as if my reactions have been shifting more to the delayed side, as treatment goes on. It's hard to tell, though.

Interestingly, although more severe endotoxinb reactions can be fever, in chronic infection the endotoxin actually lowers body temp. Dr. Powell uses temp drop as a rough indicator of endotoxin dump after a detox treatment like sauna sessions: if you raise body temp, especially for those of us with chronically low temp (mine's 96.7) and it ramps up your immune system (artificial fever) you get bacterial kill and even lower temp next morning than average. I don't have the references handy, but it might be interesting to track your body temp for correlation to the "Ill Feeling."

CAP for Chlamydia pneumonia since 11/04. 25yrs CFS & FMS- Currently: 150mg INH, 200 Doxycycline, 500mg MWF Azithromycin, 1000mg Flagyl daily (Continuous protocol)

sjogren's diagnosed 2/03, 200mg minocin daily, mwf zithromax, flagyl every 3 weeks.

The times when I measured my temperature were all in the early stages, when I was first getting on to antibiotics. It was always close to normal (normal meaning the standard 98.6 F), even when I felt a bit feverish. Eventually I stopped measuring, because it seemed like a waste of time. But I wasn't very sick to begin with; others are likely to see more body temperature variations.

Control exhaustion using temperature measurement.

By measure temperature first thing each morning at 6-6.15.
Walking for same distance (30 minutes). Breakfast at 7.
Resting after 8 when family had left the house. I have learned to normalize my body's reactions. To get a more predicted behavior of the reactions and be able to change them.

One goal for me is to have my energy and neurological functions functioning for 24 hours, both during awake and sleep. Without the need to feel or think to much.
To much usage during day affects the night.

For me there are a correlation between altered morning temperature combined with the performance test(walking) and how much energy and sensory input I have to me disposal for daily activity.
I had temperature below 36 C when I where in a bad shape.
My Temperature ranges
36.8 C means normal and morning walk performance confirms.
36.4-38.6 means be careful let morning walk performance decide.
< 36.4 C Be careful, consider skip morning walk. Rest more than normal.
> 37 C Be careful and rest as needed.

Walk performance is judged by behavior in walking speed, pulse and breathing.

I have achieved for my sickness a speedometer, accelerator and brake, and this is essential for creating a change.

There are other measurements can be done within low budget.

To measure temperature you need to use a thermometer that measure actual temperature under tung it takes 2-3 minutes for reading to stabilize. Some models are faster but they do not measure actual temperature accurate.

It's the regulation of temperature that are of interest not the absolute value. Therefor the need for accuracy and to measure under tung.

After some time you will new your status without the need to measure. You only need occasional measurements to confirm.
/Per

Having been trained as an engineer, I found the graphs really informative.  I'm just starting out on the CAP and was wondering about the effect of the Flagyl pulses and the resulting bacterial death.   With one glance, I got the answers to most of my questions.  Thanks.

CAP for M.S. since 8/2007.  Currently: 200 mg Dox.  Waiting to start Zith & Flagyl.

NormanI think the "unpleasant" feeling you experience is the same thing I do.  It is difficult to describe and seems to occur around the same time as yours.  I have a "jumping out of my skin" feeling, hard to feel settled, need to move constantly.  We need to come up with a name for it!  That way when someone experiences it we will know what they are talking about.Lori Started Vanderbilt protocol 1/9/08  Rifampin twice a day, azithromycin MWF, flagyl 7 days/month,  b12 injection monthly NAC daily, DHA, calcium pyruvate, prilosec