Alternative treatments - please post all you know about them

Hello all,

I would like you all to share your experiences with alternative remedies.

The idea of taking antibiotics for years with few hopes of getting cured scares me to death.

I don't want to harm my body with toxic substances and destroy the good and necessary bacteria without the guarantee of a full recovery.

The posts on this site suggest CAP might not be the wisest approach. Maybe we should all try to find alternatives while on CAP.

Resistance to antibiotics is common and bacteriostatic agents are the easiest for bacteria to circumvent because they give them time to adapt. Maybe that's why most people on this site don't get cured.

I have the results of my research on plants from latin america and India at home and will share them with you today or tomorrow.

If any of you has valuable information on this topic, please let us all know.

Thanks a lot.

I know a guy who has been completely cured from chronic pneumoniae with the MS direct diet. It took him 4 years to recover.

CFS, Severe Peripheral neuropathy, Insomnia, Azitromycine/Clarithromycine/Roxytromycine, Doxycycline 2x100mg, Caffeine every day, Tinidazol for pulsing, ACC 2 x 600 mg -  treatment duration: 24 months

Tudor, that is not right at all: if you have chronic chlamydia pneuoniae you won't get rid of it completely without antibiotics.  If you want to get cured take the antibiotics as prescribed for four years, like me  If I hadn't I would be dead by now.  As it is, I'm not and it really annoys me when people say that antibiotics are toxic substances.  It annoys my husband, Dr David Wheldon as well.

Just take a couple of probiotics two hours away from the antibiotics and your good bacteria will be fine................Sarah

An Itinerary in Light and Shadow

Completed Stratton/Wheldon regime for aggressive secondary progressive MS in June 2007, after four years, three of which intermittent.   Still improving bit by bit and no relapses since finishing treatment.

I suggest you read the Getting Started TAB at the top of the page.   There is a great deal of research behind this treatment which we advocate here.   Although there have been discussions about alternative treatments on this site, we only support the Combined Antibiotic Protocol.  

After you have read the getting started module I suggest you go to

In the end the decision is yours, you have to decide whether you are more frightened of the disease or of the cure, however unpleasant it might be.

Michèle (UK) GFA: Wheldon CAP 1st May 2006. Daily Doxy, Azi MWF, metro pulse.

I agree with all of you that the protocol helps. 

Does it hurt to try other things while on the antibiotics? Or to look for the real cause?

We are fighting the effect with antibiotics and risks might be high we will never fully recover unless we find what imbalance allows intracellular bacteria to flourish.

Why are there so few people becoming chronically ill from cpn?

To me, proliferation of cpn is obviously an effect and not the cause. Of what, I have no idea. Someone suggested amino-acid deficiencies. Maybe this idea is worth a try.

There are enough of us here who can engage in research on finding possible causes. And I mean real, logical causes.

The real imbalance will stay with us during and after the protocol. 


On CAP from June 2008 to October 9, 2008
Reactive Arthritis, polyuria, infertility, CFS, CPN (uncertain)
Now taking: Apple Vinegar - 5 spoons morning and evening, 2 spoons2 x 3 apples a day, Omega 3, Myco Plus, sangre de grado,


I feel the need to respond to this.  I researched this protocol to death before I started this journey.  I learned as much as I could through this site, talking with others who have been through it or were in the midst of the protocol, and talking with my own general practitioner about it.  After all of this research I felt it was the way I needed to go and I am so very glad I did.

You stated "the idea of taking antibiotics for years with few hopes of getting cured scares me to death".  I would say "the idea of having multiple sclerosis for years with no hope of getting cured scares me to death".  We have to make a choice because when you get right down to it our health is really in our own hands.  There are no "guarantees" that this will actually be a cure for whatever ails you.  However, at least for me, there is a guarantee that I will not be cured of MS if I choose not to do anything.  

Resistance is addressed by the combination of antibiotics used.  Doing the prescribed antibiotics keeps that from happening.

There are no promises with this protocol (but there are no promises with any therapy) but it is extremely well researched and I for one am confident this the way to go for me.

 You say that there are no cures with this.  Actually several people have been cured of chlamydia pneumoniae from their bodies.  Most, however, are still undergoing treatment so their stories are yet to unfold.

While undergoing this protocol complimentary treatments are fine.  Whatever works for the person!

I am wondering why you think that so few people become chronically ill with CPN?  Once you read exactly what this pathogen does and how sneaky it is you will come to realize that most likely many many people are ill with CPN which manifests itself in many different diseases.  It is a stealth pathogen, difficult to find and not easy to treat.  It does not "go down without a fight"! 

 You MUST read all of the provided information thoroughly, and preferably more than once, before dismissing this protocol.  Once you research this and learn about this as much as you can, you can then decide if it is right for you.


Started Vanderbilt protocol 1/9/08  Rifampin once a day, b12 injection monthly , vitamin D 50,000 IU weekly

Thing that triggered my disease was genistein that I used to treat my hairloss. I was preparing topicals and one day when i supplied it I felt something dramatic happened to my central nervous system. After a while I read that genistein is a pretty potent immunosuppresor.  I am pretty sure that the chronic pneumoniae phenomenon will become an epidemy because you do not have to buy genistein on any purpose nowadays. You are served with that on a daily basis by food suppliers who inject GMO everywhere.

Foods nowadays become more and more immunosuppresive and they are approaching immunosuppresive steroid-like effects. I find it to be the huge factor in the chronic disease development. 

CFS, Severe Peripheral neuropathy, Insomnia, Azitromycine/Clarithromycine/Roxytromycine, Doxycycline 2x100mg, Caffeine every day, Tinidazol for pulsing, ACC 2 x 600 mg -  treatment duration: 24 months


This protocol does much more than "help" - it saves lives and, if we are early enough, without too many co-infections, cures. Cpn is the cause, not the effect. There are many, not few, people who are chronically ill with this treacherous bug.

For me, it was pneumonia at the age of ten or eleven. I have four sisters, one of whom has MS, one has chronic bronchitis, and one has rosacea - probably from the same period of time, though it has affected them somewhat differently. Like Sarah, I would be dead from this.

I am not going to repeat my history because it is in my story. My MS was galloping and is now, due to my daily careful attention to my abx and supplements, almost gone. It has taken four arduous years, but, by staying with a fairly rigid daily schedule, I have come most of the way and have every intention of crossing the not too distant finish line. There are no"alternative treatments" that do not involve antibiotics.

3/9 Symptoms returning. Began 5 abx protocol 5/9 Rifampin 600, Amox 1000, Doxy 200, MWF Azith 250, flagyl 1000 daily. Began Sept 04 PPMS EDSS 6.7 Now good days EDSS 1 Mind, like parachute, work only when open. Charlie Chan  In for the duration.&am

Tudor, thank you for your two letters.  I would just like to say here, though, that you should think carefully before embarking on your chosen way forward because there are quite a few people on this site who have moved from the Marshall Protocol to this site because Marshall's ideas just weren't working for them.  Also someone from the MP site said that nobody, even Trevor Marshall would call themselves completely cured and still take some abx.  I don't know the details, but after how long?  I haven't taken anything for over a year now but I am still improving: my immune system is totally rebalanced.  

Also I am married to a real medical doctor, not a doctor of engineering.

Now time is getting on so I must get back to work..............Sarah

An Itinerary in Light and Shadow

Completed Stratton/Wheldon regime for aggressive secondary progressive MS in June 2007, after four years, three of which intermittent.   Still improving bit by bit and no relapses since finishing treatment.

Sarah, thank you for being so supportive.

I'm not planning on depriving my body of vitamin D as Trevor Marshall suggests. This idea seems preposterous to me.

I will just try a slightly different approach:

  • Azithromycin - the normal dose (250 mg MWF)
  • Cotrimoxazole - 500 mg on alternate days  
  • Doxi - 500 mg on alternate days
  • Leucine - 2 x 2.5 g daily
  • + several other supplements (garlic among them)

I tend to get significant polyuria from the prescribed doses of antibiotics, so I see no other choice than to lower them a bit.

I am probably at 80% of my normal capacity after 3 months on CAP (can even play tennis for 2 hrs in a row).



On CAP from June 2008 to October 9, 2008
Reactive Arthritis, polyuria, infertility, CFS, CPN (uncertain)
Now taking: Apple Vinegar - 5 spoons morning and evening, 2 spoons2 x 3 apples a day, Omega 3, Myco Plus, sangre de grado,

Tudor, I have to agree with Sarah on this one. If it wasn't for the research her husband did to help us with this horrible bacteria ,I think more of us would be dead, including myself. No one likes to be on long term antibiotics but if you read the many patient stories of servival I think it's worth it all. Every illness has it's rough road to healing, cancer with chemo. and blood transfussions for specific auto immune deseases. 

There are times we must kill the good to kill the bad. Dr.wheldon has not only done research, he himself was a patient and a very important advacate to this cpn infection.

I hope in the future more research could keep us from so many antibiotics but for now this is our path to wellness.  It is going to be worth it.

We are all frustrated with our demons, but give it a try and remember the kind folks here will help you as they have with me.


started Wheldon cap 4/21/08 for Cpn, CMV, EBV, CFS. Cap hold 4/09vascultis. Restart 9/09 with Dr.Powell, restore gut, 4000 D3, supplements,  Pos. Bartonella and Babesia, Rifampin 600 mgs and Biaxon 1 gram. 

Don't jump at me all at once, please Image removed.

I'm far from dismissing the protocol. On the contrary, I agree we must do with what we currently have.

It's just that I have a strong feeling we are addressing the effect and not the cause.

Maybe we could somehow figure out what sort of imbalances trigger the disease (by working together).

Our behavioral patterns might provide a good start, for example (what eating, work, social habits we've had prior to getting sick, any relevant medical history, etc).

We might be able to identify some common patterns and from there to get closer to the real culprit. Otherwise we risk being forced to rely on antibiotics for the rest of our lives.

The information Andreas shared with us, for example, is a fantastic starting point.

I will soon try one of the amino-acids he mentioned without getting off the CAP (or the Marshall protocol, since I prefer the gentle approach). I'm far from incapacitated, so I can afford the luxury of testing it.

As I've already mentioned, I have had very promissing results with vitamin C,  onions and garlic (as well as with minocycline).

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On CAP from June 2008 to October 9, 2008
Reactive Arthritis, polyuria, infertility, CFS, CPN (uncertain)
Now taking: Apple Vinegar - 5 spoons morning and evening, 2 spoons2 x 3 apples a day, Omega 3, Myco Plus, sangre de grado,

Tudor, one of the theories being investigated as to why Cpn hits some harder is the existence of genetic defects in the Methylation Cycle. Do a search about this as we have had a lot of discussion about it. Supplements can help correct the cycle. Raven

Feeling 98% well-going for 100. Very low test for Cpn. CAP since 8-05 for Cpn/Mycoplasma P.,Lyme, Bartonella, Mold exposure,NAC,BHRT, MethyB12 FIR Sauna. 1-18-11 begin new treatment plan with naturopath

Tudor, I have been on the protocol for five months. I am using the Wheldon Protocol, all the suppliments and the dosages as his protocol has laid out. I find it far gentler then the description of the dosages that some people are taking here through other Protocols of similar nature. I have had huge improvements, some were almost immediate.

In 2006 my RRMS had changed to SPMS and it was very frightening! My husband and I were looking into getting a wheelchair and had already bought a cane and a shower chair. I had gone from someone with a good career and sideline profitable hobbies of fitness trainer/interior decorator/artist and poet, to someone that barely left the house. No energy, pain, hospitalization, sickness and emotional issues.

I found the first things to improve was my bladder and bowel issues and the neuropathic pain in my feet. More recently, my energy is returning, I am sleeping better, my head is clear and I am finding my creativity like mad. The wheel chair plan has been dropped and I could not even tell you where I put the cane. Shower chair is in storage. I was always made fun of (good naturedly) of being a perfectionist. I lost that completely in the past because I could not keep up to life. My spirit of excellence (how I would rather refer to it) is returning. I am doing neglected projects, and doing some other ones over again that I classified as being done and realizing now that I am not saticefied with the results. I am changing. I am finding the old me as this fog and illness is lifting. I have a ways to go, I know, but it's coming. It is the protocol that is saving me. I am very disciplined in the Wheldon Protocol administration and granted, I have only been on it for five months I hope for many more improvements. I hope to regain long lasting energy and strength in my legs. My husband, my children and myself have found the hope that we needed for so many years. I don't want to entertain what would have happened to me had we not found this treatment option.

As for alternative treatments, this is one. It is an alternative to the dependancy on bandaid solutions that don't fix the underlying problems. I would know, I have been sick off and on since 1991. Please continue to learn, research and strive to take control of your health. Don't allow yourself to become discouraged and don't let anyone to waver your drive to become well.

Lived with MS since 1991. Completed 16 months of full CAP plus supplements. Currently in full remission. Not on any antiobiotics anymore but taking all supplements incl NAC.

Tudor, I think that your strong feeling about the Cpn being an effect rather than the cause of our conditions may need to be substantiated with some evidence.   I think that when you understand the Cpn conundrum you will see that Cpn, in conjunction with personal genetic predispositions can result in a wide variety of conditions.

Michèle (UK) GFA: Wheldon CAP 1st May 2006. Daily Doxy, Azi MWF, metro pulse.

Tudor, I tried every alternative treatment I had heard of: Every herbal and supplement. One doctor had something like a Royal Rife box. (Unfortunantly the original real Royal Rife box no longer exists, so who knows.) I have a magnetic mattress. Hyperbaric tanks, daily treatments for maybe a year might work, but only wealthy people could afford that. Several years before this CAP had been formulated, I heard about antibiotics helping CFS, but I was deadset against taking tetracycline for years. Not until I found this site and read the work the doctors had done, did I consider CAP. I have been sick since I was a baby. I wish I could have started CAP then! Because I had been on all the supplements, I could jump right in full blast on CAP. I don't recommend taking metronidazole the very first day of beginning CAP, but I did. My heart had been having frightening spasms that calmed down almost immediately. By blood pressure dropped to around 110/70. I think my body sent the antibiotics to work first on areas that could have killed me.

minocycline, azithromycine, metronidazole 2007-2009, chelation for lead poisoning, muscle pain, insomnia, interstitial cystitis (almost well), sinus, dry eyes, stiff neck, veins, hypothyroid, TMJ, hip joints (no longer hurt)

Thank you all for sharing so much information with me. It's really comforting to learn that you improved so much while on CAP.

I believe you all CAP was the only approach with positive results.

In my case there were several others that seemed to have caused improvements:

  • onions - 1 every evening - made me sleep well, cleared my mind, gave me energy
  • garlic -  2 cloves every other day - some positive effects but not as significant as from onions
  • vitamin C - huge boost of energy and improvement in the general condition, but also some irritation of the urinary tract, so I discontinued it;
  • blueberry extract & something from the fir tree (in our dictionary it's translated with underbrush, but I'm pretty sure this is not the right word). A few weeks after starting to take it my cold sensitivity was no longer very bad and my sexual drive increased a bit. The fatigue was also starting to alleviate. I also started to have nights without any trips to the toilet (this hasn't happened again after discontinuing the supplement).
  • anti-yeast diet. I tried it for 2 weeks about 4 months ago. That was probably the best period I've had in two years. Excellent mood, a lot of energy, creativity, sharp mind, etc.
  • ginseng - increased level of energy, slightly decrease in my sensitivity to cold

I've taken no antibiotics with the above and still experienced marked improvement. While on vitamin C (2 x 500 mg a day) I was able to resume my sports activities (tennis and swimming). As soon as I discontinued it I started feeling worse. 

Medicines that are not part of CAP and helped:

  • chlorquinaldol (pills) - it caused minor herxes, muscle pain (in the legs), brief eye irritations (I've had ophthalmopathy several years ago), some chest pain, followed by significant improvements. The irritations and pains only lasted from several hours to 1 day in each affected area. Able to play tennis towards the end of the 1 month trial. This one is known to kill chlamydia (there have been some tests conducted - I haven't saved the link, but you can find it easily)
  • ivermectine - great increase in my sex drive, which had been virtually non-existant, singnificant improvement in my mood, creativity and energy level, after a single dose. I've taken it for 5 days and wish to try it for longer periods (10 days in a row, for example, followed by a 2 or 3 day break and another 10 day cure)
  • albendazole - made my irritations disappear almost completely. I have just taken the fourth dose and started feeling pangs in my heel (where I've had no symptoms for approximately a year). Maybe it's a good sign. I'm planning to try a 1 month treatment with a big dose (2 x 800 mg per day). Maybe it has chlamycidal properties...

The only symptom that seemed almost impossible to get rid of is polyuria (big volumes of urine: up to 10-12 liters on the worst days, while on the bad ones it's from 3 to 4 liters) + increased frequency of urination. 

Has any of you experienced something similar?


On CAP from June 2008 to October 9, 2008
Reactive Arthritis, polyuria, infertility, CFS, CPN (uncertain)
Now taking: Apple Vinegar - 5 spoons morning and evening, 2 spoons2 x 3 apples a day, Omega 3, Myco Plus, sangre de grado,

Hi Tudor,

I take allicinMax(from Garlic) and I think it kills Cpn.

I also take NAC and vitamin D3.

B 12 is also helpfull.

And I also take FlavonMax plus, its from berries and some Ginseng, really good.( I wrote a post about it before.)

Good luck with your treatment, Maria


Cpn since sep 2006. Autoimmune thyroid,hypofunction.levaxin,b12+folic acid.All classic cpn,porphyria and toxinsymtoms.Not able to work.Selftreating cpninfection with AllicinMax(garlic), NAC, high vitamin D3. CAP for over 3 years. Back to work and life

Hello Tudor, I like Loriyas felt the need to respond here. I understand your enthusiasm to want to share "alternatives that work". I think we do a great job of sharing what helps us on this site. You might find it interesting to spend some additional time reading through the posts here. 

I may be wrong but, I personally do not believe (from reading your posts) you understand the cryptic stage of this bacteria. Sure, you can take these adjunts and supplements and your immune system MAY improve and you will feel better; but CPN is stealth and unless you get it out of your body it is quietly wreaking havoc on your body, immune system and internal organs... leading to potential disease states later on. COMBINATION antibiotic protocol with the ABX(daily doxy, azith and pulsed, wk/month Flagyl or Tini) used by Dr.'s Stratton and Wheldon has been shown to improve ( I withhold stating that it "cures"  even though we know it doesImage removed. ) individuals. I also believe CPN is a CAUSE not a result because of it's three life cycles. Sure, we may have caught it because our immune systems were low but ultimately it causes additional health problems.

The protocol you are taking on alternate days.... how did you come to the conclusion of doing it this way? Most of us on this site believe in, and are following the protocol prescribed by these doctors. Some, and their doctors, venture and try other ABX as well; but, for the most part we choose to BELIEVE, and know, this particular combination of ABX works.  Long-term ABX is quite common and safe if the proper probiotics and precautions are taken.

Also, I'm not sure where you get the impression that many people here aren't really sick..( hmmm perhaps we should take a poll, LOL) There are many of us here who do not have MS and it's a struggle just to try and live the semblance of a  normal life or get through the day.

I laude your enthusiasm but may I politely suggest you dig a bit deeper and see what has transpired here... lot's of good information, support as well as protocol experience.



JeanneRoz ~ DX'd w/ CPN 4/2007; 6/07 -"officially" dx'd w/CFIDS/FM; also: HHV6, EBV, IBS-C, 100 Doxy:BID; 500 mg Biaxin BID; Tindamax Pulses, B12 shots, ERFA Dessicated Thyroid,Cortef, Iodoral 25 mg, Vit D-6,000 uni

Tudor, I don't think everyone here is 'jumping on you at once', as you wrote. I do think many of us are a bit shocked at some of your comments and feel compelled to respond.

We DO believe the cpn bacteria is the CAUSE of a number of diseases, and that the manifestation of cpn infection can be multiple sclerosis, chronic fatigue, rheumatoid arthritis, rosacea, irritable bowel disease, alopecia, neuropathy and a host of others.   While genetics or co-infections may be part of the puzzle, killing the cpn bacteria and eradicating it is the purpose and intent here.

All of the 'alternatives' you list, such as garlic, blueberry, etc., can be safely added to the combined antibiotic protocol.  They do NOT replace it. 

You remarked you do not want to be on antibiotics all your life.  No one here intends to be on abx forever.  I am finishing my third year and will soon be weaning myself off the program.  A few here have stopped antibiotics (keeping up with NAC, however) and are continuing to improve.  ("Most people on this site aren't cured' because most people haven't had enought treatment time in to be cured yet!)  Many more are like me, not quite done with treatment, but close to being done.  It takes TIME to eradicate the bacteria in its many wily, adaptive, life phases, but it is eventually eradicated.  No alternatives to combined antibiotics have been identified by the researchers who discovered this treatment (and who continue to work on it every single day at Vanderbilt University).

I suggest, after you read the Getting Started section a few times and after you read the Handbook a couple of times, that you then start reading the research posted on this site and take enough time to go back to the very BEGINNING of this forum and start reading forward.  We aren't casual or cavalier about our health here and we are all greatly self-educated in this topic.   There's no easy way to garner this kind of knowledge except to start at the beginning and work your way up, which means read, read and read some more here.  We have already, in the past, discussed most of the alternative/additional supplements and many of the questions you have broached.

One more comment.  You say you don't want to flood your body with abx, yet what you say you plan to take is actually more abx than we usually take.  With the exception of taking doxy at 200mg/daily, as opposed to your desire to take doxy at 500mg/every other day, it sounds like you're planning to do Wheldon's protocol, with additional abx thrown in. 

The difference between what we do and what we are capable of doing would suffice to solve most of the world’s problems. Mohandas Gandhi

As Mac says,

We DO believe the cpni bacteria is the CAUSE of a number of diseasesi, and that the manifestation of cpn infection can be multiple sclerosisi, chronic fatigue, rheumatoid arthritis, rosaceai, irritable bowel disease, alopeciai, neuropathy and a host of others.   While geneticsi or co-infectionsi may be part of the puzzle, killing the cpn bacteria and eradicating it is the purpose and intent here.

I agree.  I would like to add one comment which has been nagging at me as I read thru this thread...

Why would you want to reinvent the wheel?   I mean, afterall, Tudor, we already have a CAP with many variations and adjuncts that have been selected and are being test because of their effectiveness AND people are actually getting well using this protocol.  Image removed. 

NAC 2.4g, Zith 250mg/MWF, mino 200mg, Tini 5day/1g/5 pulses, Valcyte
Supplements, CFIDS/FMS, Hashimoto's, Psoriasis, PA, IBS, Sec Addisons

Don't believe everything you think!  

Whoa, Tudor. Most of the alternatives that helped you are plants that KILL GERMS, both bacteria and viruses. You are making a good case for antimicrobials whether they are made in a factory or grown in the ground.

The chlorquinaldol may be causing you tendon pain because its molecule is related to the molecule used in quinolone antibiotics. You MIGHT be better off not taking that stuff if you notice aching tendons. I had severe tendon damage from Levaquin and Avelox. I also noticed that if I even drank tonic water my tendons would ache the next day. Not everyone has a problem with this, but if you do it will be a problem whether you are taking an herbal product or a factory made antibiotic.

I look forward to hearing how you do as time goes on. Thanks for posting.

Paula Carnes

Paula Carnes

I join the " i would be dead if i didnt club" Antibiotics have kept me alive.

Here is a list of all the alternatives ive tried that i feel had some benefit

dr reckeweg r6. r17, r49 and especially r1

intervenous ozone


yeast cleanse

colonic irrigation

merc solubis, apis mel

black walnut


collidal silver

hot showers

All the cpn supplements


olive leaf extract

berries, blue, cherries, rasp etc

healthy diet w super foods

.. and Ive tried almost everything once, and my list is still short







and yes i realise that Im advocating homeopathics, which might just mean Im vulnerable to placebo, however I tend to lean towards the theory of active particles our immune systems can recognize which are not yet measurable by science :)







For Reenie.

I'm not trying to reinvent the wheel.

Unlike many of you on this site, I'm not impressed with the progress I've made unde CAP. High doses of antibiotics seem to negatively effect my polyuria, which is really hard to live with.

I've been slightly (or maybe significantly??? don't remember well enough) better with garlic, onions, vitamin C and a healthy diet. 

I've experienced intriguing symptoms during the tinizole pulses as well as under chloquinaldol, albendazole and ivermectin, so I will stick to some of these. Tinizole gave me leg pains and sweatings, which I hadn't felt in a long time, so it's clearly doing some killing.

To my taste, bacteriostatic agents take way too long to do the job. I will therefore try a different approach which I described in a different message.

If it doesn't work I can return to the standard CAP. After all, I've only been on it for 4 months, so 1 or 2 months of experimentation wouldn't do a lot of damage. 

I will keep you posted on my progress.

Today I have the energy to play tennis for 4 hours (after 4 days on 2 x 400 mg of albendazole).



On CAP from June 2008 to October 9, 2008
Reactive Arthritis, polyuria, infertility, CFS, CPN (uncertain)
Now taking: Apple Vinegar - 5 spoons morning and evening, 2 spoons2 x 3 apples a day, Omega 3, Myco Plus, sangre de grado,