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27 Apr 2018
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gm2203
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a natural treatment

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Hi,I've just joined this site so I hope this is the right place to post this message!I think this a great site - loads of good info.I read about the Marshall Protocol in January this year, I didn't actually find out about the Wheldon Protocol until a few months ago. Although the CAPs are different, I think the overall theory makes a lot of sense, and a chronic infection fits with my onset on CFS. Due to my personal circumstances I didn't have regular access to a doctor so I couldn't get antibiotics; but I did some research into herbs and supplements with antibacterial properties.

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Hi GM, thanks for the information.   We are constantly adding to our knowledge and treatment options on this site, so this is something to consider.

Michele (UK) GFA: Wheldon CAP 1st May 2006. Daily Doxy, Azi MWF, metro pulse. Zoo keeper for Ella, RRMS, At worse EDSS 9, 3 months later 7 now 5.5 Wheldon CAP 16th March 2006

Michèle (UK) GFA: Wheldon CAP 1st May 2006. Daily Doxy, Azi MWF, metro pulse.

The theory behind allicin is good.  Although I can say that I have tried it and I found no improvement in my condition.

 

Azithro 250mg MWF, Doxy,  NAC 2400/daily, 1 81mg Baby Asprin daily, recommended supplements from this web site

Azithro 250mg MWF, NAC 2400/daily, 1 81mg Baby Asprin daily, recommended supplements from this web site

I should say that my improvement - like on CAP - has been over many months. I started off on one allicin capsule per day (180mg per cap) and increased this when my herx reaction decreased. Over 7 months I have increased to 8 caps a day. One capsule has the equivalent allicin as about 30 bulbs of garlic.

 

Thanks for the replies!

 

 

CFS for almost 3 years. Using a natural (proven) antibiotic called allicin and improving greatly.

CFS for almost 3 years. Using a natural (proven) antibiotic called allicin and improving greatly.

cool, good information!

Thanks

CFIDS/ME 25yrs, FMS, IBS, EBV, Cpn, (insomnia - melatonin, GABA, tarazadone, temazepam, novocyclopine, allergy formula, 2 gm tryptophan), Natural HRT peri-M, NAC 2.5 gm, 6-07 Doxy 200 mg day pm, Azith 375 mg M/W/Fday, 10-30-07 3rd pulse 2 X 250 mg 2day

CFIDS/ME, FMS, MCS, IBS, EBV, CMV, Cpn, H1, chronic insomnia, Chronic Lyme, HME, Babesia, Natural HRT-menopause, NAC 2.4 gm,Full CAP 6-2-07, all supplements+Iodorol, Inositol-depression, ultra Chitosan, L lysine Pulse#27 04-19-10 1gm Flagyl/day-5 days<

Garlic has a long history as a bactericidal and antiviral. The Romans used to pack wounds with it and the Egyptians fed it to their work force to keep them healthy.During WW II, it was called Russian penicillin as it was used to treat the Russian troops.
I tried to use concentrated garlic when I was sick with respiratory infections--unfortunately for me, it didn't get to the deep seated Cpn infection I have.
I have however found it amplifies the effect of the antibiotics. But if you have bleeding problems, watch out as it is a blood thinner.
Here's more fascinating lore:
http://www.kitchendoctor.com/articles/four_thieves.html

Raven

CAP since 8-05 for Cpn and Mycoplasma P. for MS and/or CFS

Feeling 98% well-going for 100. Very low test for Cpn. CAP since 8-05 for Cpn/Mycoplasma P.,Lyme, Bartonella, Mold exposure,NAC,BHRT, MethyB12 FIR Sauna. 1-18-11 begin new treatment plan with naturopath

 I've changed the forum this was posted on to "Adjuncts" as, while this may be a useful adjunct to some on a CAP, it is not part of the CAP nor a substitute for the bacteriocides and antibiotics discussed here. I don't want newbies confused about this as an "official" substitute. It's confusing enough!

Thanks for your post and your link. The information may be helpful for those wishing to cover more bases in their treatment.

CAP for Chlamydia pneumonia since 11/04. 25yrs CFS & FMS- Currently: 200 Doxycycline, 500mg MWF Azithromycin, Tini pulses.

A motto, not an aspiration: "Anything worth doing is worth overdoing."

Yes, I have heard about the "Russian penicillin" label and also somewhere read an old saying - you should never trust someone who doesn't eat garlic (although I'm not sure exactly why!).

You won't get much allicin, if any, through a regular garlic supplement, or by eating garlic. It's produced when garlic is crushed and is chemically unstable. It can only be produced in the body if there are optimum conditions, it doesn't like stomach acid. The company that produces the supplement has patented a process which guarantees delivery of allicin in the body via their capsules. It's also available in a cream and a liquid - good for acne, coldsores and various rashes as well as a first aid treatment.

I do agree this may help "cover more bases" especially with a lot of research implicating herpes viruses in CFS and it is anti-candida too. It is still a relatively new product and I guess it has a lot of testing ahead of it before it can officially be a medicine as opposed to a supplement. However, it's done great things for me and I really just want to tell people about it! For people in similar circumstances to me it may offer hope where antibiotics are not available to them.

My link doesn't seem to work so the site is : www.cfs-allicin.com someone asked about it, so if you want to visit the site type that into the address bar because I'm not too technologically minded and can't fix it, sorry!

 

CFS for almost 3 years. Using a natural (proven) antibiotic called allicin and improving greatly.

CFS for almost 3 years. Using a natural (proven) antibiotic called allicin and improving greatly.

Interesting. Oh, the link is working now, GM.

The difference between what we do and what we are capable of doing would suffice to solve most of the world’s problems.  Mohandas Gandhi

The difference between what we do and what we are capable of doing would suffice to solve most of the world’s problems. Mohandas Gandhi

So it is - thanks! A particular benefit of allicin is that it doesn't destory the "good bacteria" in the gut.

Thanks again for the replies.

 

CFS for almost 3 years. Using a natural (proven) antibiotic called allicin (since March 2007) and improving greatly. Also taking various supplements including many recommended on here.

CFS for almost 3 years. Using a natural (proven) antibiotic called allicin and improving greatly.

And it tastes good, too. 

CAP for M.S. since 8/2007. Currently: 100 mg Dox. (2 x day), 250 mg Zith (3 x week). Waiting for first Flagyl pulse.

CAP for M.S. 8/2007 - 3/2009.  Twentieth pulse metronidazole + INH completed 3/12/2009.  Intermittent treatment thereafter until 11/20/2009.  

re: allicin + probiotics, good bacteria. In reply to note above, There may be differing thoughts, I'll just add that the NDs I've worked with, have always stressed that probiotics are still essential when on taking antimicrobial nutrients such as allicin or OLE.  They suggest a broad spectrum probiotic along with Saccharomyces boulardii.  However, Sacc. boul. may not be for immune compromised patients.  check with doctor, of course. I am new and have read much here, not all, so if this is contraindicated I hope someone will bring that to my attn and I will adjust note.

here's an excerpt from my files notes from link below:

"Only Saccharomyces boulardii and, to a lesser degree, L. casei rhamnosus (GG) have been shown to protect against C. difficile.

S. boulardii is a unique probiotic in that it is known to survive gastric acidity, it is not adversely affected or inhibited by antibiotics . . . however, antifungals should be taken hours apart." see note at bottom of post.

I suppose allicin, olive leaf extract and other supplements that have an anti-fungal nature fall into this category, too.

this is not to endorse, but this is just one source, and some more info. at FLORASTOR Saccharomyces boulardii www.florastor.com

- sorry about the type size changes.  when I copy and paste it weirds out . . . I change it and it changes back.  It may stay put this time, or not.